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I think if the source of creativity is to be considered with regards to music, then some narrowing of scope would help. There is no one size fits all approach to either composing or improvising so one would need to define the hypothetical individual in question as to background, idiom, schooled versus self taught, degree of exposure to different approaches, conventional, graphic, a combination or no notation at all. Is it composing for the page, with or without being heard as written, solely for the ear, for tape or hard disk? Are the motivations behind the composition emotional, intellectual, programmatic? The answer to your question changes as more of those are determined.

In improv, the idiom one is playing in changes and either narrows or widens the number of choices available at any given moment. So a thorough bass improvisor's approach was different than a Lizst or Scriabin's was, than a dixieland jazz player's polyphony, a bebopper's soloing over chord changes, or a post bop player altering the changes against a given theme, than a free jazzer's action painting in sound, than an Indian Raga, Balinese Gamelan or Shona mbira player's. Is it against a fixed meter, non-metered pulse, arhythmic or whatever happens in the moment. How about so called non-idiomatic improvisation which requires virtuosic listening more than anything and while there may be notes and chords involved they are tangential to the proceedings. Though really in even the most rigid forms the intangibles of phrasing and timbral variation, voicings, etc. are seemingly endless. In my small experience thinking is the last thing you want to do in improvisation. The idea is to get your conscious mind out of the way and interact with what you're hearing. Perceptions about what is working and what isn't is not the same in the moment as in listening to a document of it later.

This may seem like nitpicking, but I look at the context of Poe's statement. To him hearing music would have been an ephemeral experience of a very limited amount of music; some popular songs of the time, parlor pieces, etc. Major pieces of symphonic music might be heard once or twice in a lifetime. He probably knew about Bach and Mozart, likely not Schubert or Beethoven, let alone African, Indian, Japanese or what have you. Today our experience of music is nearly all electronic, that to some degree or another intends to create the illusion of a real physical space, or sometimes emphatically doesn't. We have unprecedented opportunities for hearing sounds from all over the planet. The very definition of the boundaries of what is and isn't music has changed drastically. There are many more ideas in music today than there would have been in the music of Poe's time as the 20th C saw an explosion in the available sound world, conceptual underpinnings and the uses that were and are made of music.

As to where inspiration originates is anyone's guess; not from the ego and the conscious mind though in my opinion.

Briffits

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Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 601 Jergat 09-Feb-04 08:32
Moderator note 190 Richard Fusniak 09-Feb-04 19:18
Re: Moderator note 181 Jergat 09-Feb-04 22:13
Re: Moderator note 164 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 00:23
Re: Moderator note 166 fiascohoho 10-Feb-04 00:30
Re: Moderator note 170 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 00:50
Re: Moderator note 165 fiascohoho 10-Feb-04 02:17
About the moderation process 172 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 02:54
Re: About the moderation process 167 fiascohoho 10-Feb-04 03:07
Re: About the moderation process 178 Cleopatra 10-Feb-04 20:10
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 167 Hoppy 10-Feb-04 00:59
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 169 fiascohoho 10-Feb-04 02:38
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 150 Jergat 10-Feb-04 05:36
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 225 Briffits 10-Feb-04 09:27
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 184 Milo 10-Feb-04 16:17
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 181 Paul Cochrane 10-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 165 Milo 10-Feb-04 18:11
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 160 David L 10-Feb-04 18:36
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 152 Milo 10-Feb-04 18:46
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 172 Paul Cochrane 10-Feb-04 18:43
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 151 Briffits 10-Feb-04 22:12
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 166 Milo 10-Feb-04 23:05
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 166 Briffits 11-Feb-04 00:03
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 164 Milo 11-Feb-04 00:07
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 160 Briffits 11-Feb-04 10:25
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 163 Milo 11-Feb-04 15:19
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 157 Briffits 11-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 156 Milo 11-Feb-04 23:01
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 159 Briffits 12-Feb-04 00:23
Henceforth and forthwith... 175 Milo 12-Feb-04 00:53
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 160 Milo 11-Feb-04 17:08
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 161 Briffits 11-Feb-04 19:17
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 160 Milo 11-Feb-04 19:30
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 167 Hoppy 10-Feb-04 14:55
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 168 David L 10-Feb-04 01:23
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 181 Milo 10-Feb-04 02:15
Music from other spheres 175 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 02:59
Re: Music from other spheres 158 Milo 10-Feb-04 03:11
Possibly wrong again 161 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 03:15
Re: Possibly wrong again 162 Milo 10-Feb-04 03:24
Musical mediums 165 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 12:58
Musical plane 174 Kees 10-Feb-04 13:53
Re: Musical plane 160 Milo 10-Feb-04 15:48
Re: Musical plane 166 Kees 10-Feb-04 16:10
Re: Musical mediums 157 Milo 10-Feb-04 15:49
Re: Musical mediums 173 Thirdwave 10-Feb-04 16:14
Re: Musical mediums 167 Milo 10-Feb-04 16:25
Re: Musical mediums 167 Thirdwave 10-Feb-04 19:02
Re: Musical mediums 159 Milo 10-Feb-04 19:10
Poo-Pooing "channels" 163 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 22:19
Re: Poo-Pooing 159 Milo 10-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Possibly wrong again 160 fiascohoho 10-Feb-04 03:49
Talking of Bach.... 165 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 09:29
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 167 David L 10-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 151 Milo 10-Feb-04 18:58
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 166 fiascohoho 10-Feb-04 02:29
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 175 David L 10-Feb-04 18:39
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 167 Milo 10-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 165 David L 10-Feb-04 19:12
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 170 Milo 10-Feb-04 19:20
Gifts 139 Jergat 10-Feb-04 20:44
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 170 David L 10-Feb-04 23:35
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 214 Saorsa 10-Feb-04 14:38
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 157 David L 10-Feb-04 19:05
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 215 Saorsa 11-Feb-04 08:29
Pray Mr. Lamond, tell me... 181 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 15:05
Re: Pray Mr. Lamond, tell me... 166 David L 10-Feb-04 18:51
Re: Pray Mr. Lamond, tell me... 166 Milo 10-Feb-04 19:04
Re: Pray Mr. Lamond, tell me... 155 David L 10-Feb-04 19:13
Listening By Numbers 188 Thirdwave 10-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Listening By Numbers 169 David L 10-Feb-04 19:19
Re: Listening By Numbers 154 Thirdwave 10-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Listening By Numbers 171 David L 10-Feb-04 23:39
Re: Listening By Numbers 162 Briffits 11-Feb-04 03:11
Re: Listening By Numbers 164 Thirdwave 12-Feb-04 17:46
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 164 Kees 10-Feb-04 15:25
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 162 Hoppy 10-Feb-04 18:36
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 188 Mark Staab 11-Feb-04 06:08
Work work work 169 Kees 11-Feb-04 10:36
Re: Music Synchronicity Part 2: Music vs. Idea 152 David L 10-Feb-04 19:24
Books 162 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 22:36
Re: Books 157 David L 10-Feb-04 23:44
Teachers 164 Richard Fusniak 11-Feb-04 02:08
Re: Teachers 161 David L 11-Feb-04 03:07
Re: Teachers 170 Kees 11-Feb-04 10:16
Re: Teachers 160 David L 11-Feb-04 17:47
The yoga of sound 175 Kees 11-Feb-04 21:55
Re: The yoga of sound 156 David L 11-Feb-04 22:07
Small world indeed 157 Kees 11-Feb-04 22:42
Re: Teachers 165 Richard Fusniak 11-Feb-04 23:24
Re: Teachers 159 David L 12-Feb-04 01:49
Spirtual arrogance and delusion 169 Richard Fusniak 12-Feb-04 02:18
An apology 159 Richard Fusniak 12-Feb-04 12:34
Re: An apology 156 fisherman 12-Feb-04 16:11
Re: An apology 186 David L 12-Feb-04 19:46
The wheel of life. 164 Richard Fusniak 13-Feb-04 01:32
The Catapillar and the Butterfly 167 Milo 13-Feb-04 01:35
Re: The Catapillar and the Butterfly 348 David L 13-Feb-04 02:52
Re: The wheel of life. 162 David L 13-Feb-04 02:50
Re: Teachers 160 Hoppy 11-Feb-04 03:19
Re: Teachers 164 David L 11-Feb-04 17:48
Re: Teachers 164 Hoppy 11-Feb-04 20:08


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