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Hello Kees and Maria,
You both appear to have been studing some Castaneda, as his work suggests the same thing.
Points to concider:
"There aren't enough words"
"Rituals are a trap"

Then, allow me to add one; "Idiots of great wisdom may lead humanity astray."

You may wish to add Zarathustra to your original post, as he plays an important part of the "move-to-Christianity", as a whole. It is contended that his followers [Priests] were the "wise-men" who followed the "star" to find Baby Jesus... In keeping with his "visions".
Zarathustra was not an idiot of great wisdom but there were many in the long chain of events from Yahweh to Jesus, if not before Yahweh.
There has never been "enough-words" to define the "truth". Hence, as "Rulers/Leaders" became involved, the idea of "idiots of great wisdom" was born.
With Maria's word "Key", we can see that rituals/symbols became a "tool" used by "rulers" to aquire and sustain control of "the people", regardless of nation or tribe.
In the big picture, religion [any/all] has always been a tool-of-rulers in controlling people. A measure of the success of this "miss-use" of religion lies in the progress/success of economical developement around the globe,,, compared to the progress of "radical" religious movements in direct opposition thereof,,, both/all being victims of the same "ploy".

Simple example: In 40 years in the US, gasoline has gone from 19 cents/gallon to $1.90/gallon. If this continues, we will self-distruct quite soon.

ALL contemporary "idiots of great wisdom" know this and are simply using the same tactics of "religious-manipulation" in order to control things. You will soon see [it is already happening] everything change direction... Hopefully, it will not be too late and will actually "work".

The "root-cause" is that too many nations have taken their people down different paths of "rituals and symbolisms" and those differences must first be reconciled. When, and only when this is completed,,, we can move towards a better world.
The "sky" as a whole is the only thing "everyone" can see and is the absolute best way to create symbols and rituals which would be most useful, whether trying to tell the truth or trying to "control" people. If they were ALL telling the truth, we would not be in the mess we are in today.

"Somewhere in ancient times, man lost this knowledge" [CC]

Does this make sense?
Am I rambling?

Agape, Deano

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The origin of Christian religion 640 Kees 06-Feb-04 16:28
Re: The origin of Christian religion 180 maria k. 06-Feb-04 19:18
Re: The origin of Christian religion 200 Kees 06-Feb-04 21:49
Re: The origin of Christian religion 171 Hoppy 06-Feb-04 22:21
Re: The origin of Christian religion 178 Kees 06-Feb-04 22:57
Re: The origin of Christian religion 171 Mark Staab 07-Feb-04 00:59
Re: The origin of Christian religion 176 maria k. 07-Feb-04 02:47
Re: The origin of Christian religion 205 solar_fox 07-Feb-04 04:01
Ezekiel's Wheel 182 maria k. 07-Feb-04 04:32
The Four Beasts 178 Milo 07-Feb-04 05:06
Re: The Four Beasts 190 maria k. 07-Feb-04 06:02
Re: The Four Beasts 197 Milo 07-Feb-04 06:23
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to solarfox 176 maria k. 07-Feb-04 19:37
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Re: The Four Beasts 179 Milo 07-Feb-04 07:43
Re: The Four Beasts 181 Milo 07-Feb-04 07:53
Re: The Four Beasts 192 maria k. 07-Feb-04 19:12
Re: The Four Beasts 179 Milo 07-Feb-04 19:36
Hidden Meanings 197 Elizabeth Newton 08-Feb-04 07:17
Re: Hidden Meanings 190 maria k. 08-Feb-04 08:13
Re: Hidden Meanings 257 Laird Scranton 08-Feb-04 16:59
Re: Hidden Meanings 184 maria k. 08-Feb-04 20:48
Re: Hidden Meanings 247 Laird Scranton 09-Feb-04 02:40
Re: Hidden Meanings 182 Mark Staab 09-Feb-04 07:42
Re: Hidden Meanings 248 Laird Scranton 09-Feb-04 21:26
Re: Hidden Meanings 192 Jaimi 10-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Hidden Meanings 229 Laird Scranton 10-Feb-04 22:24
Re: The Four Beasts 202 Lee McGiffen 07-Feb-04 12:02
Re: The origin of Christian religion 171 Mark Staab 08-Feb-04 01:19
Re: The origin of Christian religion 178 maria k. 08-Feb-04 21:02
Re: The origin of Christian religion 218 Kees 08-Feb-04 22:04
Re: The origin of Christian religion 161 Mark Staab 09-Feb-04 08:48
the bible's "written word" 191 maria k. 09-Feb-04 20:50
Re: the bible's "written word" 184 Milo 09-Feb-04 21:08
Re: the bible's "written word" 177 Mark Staab 09-Feb-04 21:43
Re: the bible's "written word" 190 Milo 10-Feb-04 02:36
Re: the bible's "written word" 194 maria k. 09-Feb-04 22:32
So called glib comments 273 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 00:37
Re: So called glib comments 257 Milo 10-Feb-04 02:29
What use is the bible? 228 Richard Fusniak 10-Feb-04 23:06
Re: What use is the bible? 175 Milo 10-Feb-04 23:15
Re: What use is the bible? 188 Richard Fusniak 11-Feb-04 23:59
Re: What use is the bible? 181 Milo 12-Feb-04 00:21
I forgot to comment on.... 211 Milo 12-Feb-04 00:25
The Vicarious Atonement 189 Richard Fusniak 12-Feb-04 02:31
Re: The Vicarious Atonement 380 Milo 12-Feb-04 03:31
Thanks Fuzzy! 175 maria k. 11-Feb-04 05:04
Re: Thanks Fuzzy! 183 Milo 11-Feb-04 05:33
correction... 160 Milo 11-Feb-04 05:46
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Re: The origin of Christian religion 172 Kees 07-Feb-04 11:23
Re: The origin of Christian religion 186 Mark Staab 08-Feb-04 01:34
Re: The origin of Christian religion 181 Mark Staab 08-Feb-04 01:26
Re: The origin of Christian religion 178 Kees 08-Feb-04 10:00
Re: The origin of Christian religion 181 Kees 08-Feb-04 13:37
Re: The origin of Christian religion 184 solar_fox 09-Feb-04 01:10
Re: The origin of Christian religion 188 Jaimi 09-Feb-04 05:16
Re: The origin of Christian religion 183 maria k. 09-Feb-04 05:56
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