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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 717 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 239 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 198 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 220 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 211 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 197 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 229 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 220 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 182 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 217 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 211 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 210 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 219 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 174 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 220 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 210 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 188 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 198 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 197 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 204 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 224 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 245 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 218 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 211 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 188 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 210 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 243 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 247 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 203 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 222 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 227 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 215 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 205 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 192 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 207 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 215 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 216 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 194 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 206 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 215 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 212 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 207 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 224 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 202 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 197 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 171 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 219 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 211 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 160 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 263 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 356 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 281 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 227 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 289 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 228 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 201 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 224 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 208 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 214 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 448 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 189 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 185 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 187 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 207 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 202 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 236 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 222 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 200 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 204 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 178 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 224 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 223 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 189 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 245 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 216 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 379 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 214 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 229 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 193 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 206 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 177 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 314 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 174 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 210 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 192 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 172 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 190 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 237 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 196 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 225 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 207 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 188 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 203 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 198 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 176 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 211 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 190 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 191 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 196 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 205 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 195 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 194 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 196 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 218 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 180 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 196 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 261 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 210 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 198 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 227 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 188 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 205 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 196 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 194 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 186 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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