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>Experience trumps "sound reasoning" every time.... I'm presenting my viewpoint, and my experience--not debating you or trying to twist your arm into acceptance.

I understand your intentions David, and also the value of experience. However, for experience to be introduced into an argument it has to be based on reason, or at least presented using language or conventions that frame it clearly, logically, and add weight to the argument rather than serve another purpose. I am still lost as to your reasoning in saying that all masters came only for their marked souls. Do you have examples of this to share? What is a "marked soul"? (Am I one as I feel I have benefitted greatly from Christian and Buddhist and Hindu teachings?) How did it become so? How does it fit in to the evolutionary scheme? How does it differ from an "ordinary" soul? If masters come only for their marked souls then why the persistent universality of their teachings? If experience trumps sound reasoning every time are you saying that you have personal experience of Jesus' methods and intentions? I would say that every human is a "marked soul".

>Logic will kill you when it come to the subject of inner reality.

An interesting area this. I don't think logic will kill me but I do think it can kill a conversation. In my experience logic and its brother and sister order and justice are universal constants and do not cease to exist as principles when one transfers their qualities to another sphere of existence. The spiritual structure of the universe is as surely based on logic as the material, as the material is the emanation of the spiritual. It is not impossible to reason this, systematically or even by inference. Energy or consciousness and matter are transferable, for one example.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, we can compare and contrast the world's traditions, beliefs and religions and very quickly arrive at the conclusion that reincarnation, and more generally reimbodiment (as this phenomenon applies to all beings which are embodied in material form - animals, plants, planets, even relatively abstract "beings" such as races or cultures, or belief systems), is one of the oldest, widely-held, and persistent beliefs in man's history. Why would this be evident if there is no truth to it? There is also the testament of many young children (recorded diligently by Dr. Ian Stevenson) who have recounted with great accuracy, without the need for the sometimes spurious method of regression I might add, circumstances of their recently experienced previous life. In addition to this, and I wholeheartedly agree with you on this, is the inner conviction that "I have lived before and will again". But simply saying this to someone who has not had this feeling will never convince them that it is true.

For those interested in a very broad, balanced treatment of reincarnation I would recommend Sylvia Cranston's books on the subject: "Reincarnation: A New Horizon in Science, Religion, and Society" and "Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery: An East-West Dialogue on Death and Rebirth from the Worlds of Religion, Science, Psychology, Philosophy".

Harry

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reincarnation 786 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 264 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 221 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 246 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 234 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 222 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 254 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 244 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 207 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 238 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 236 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 234 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 245 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 192 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 243 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 234 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 211 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 223 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 220 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 223 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 242 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 275 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 241 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 233 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 213 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 235 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 265 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 272 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 227 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 245 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 250 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 237 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 229 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 212 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 230 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 233 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 239 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 214 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 232 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 239 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 238 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 230 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 247 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 223 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 217 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 194 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 240 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 237 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 184 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 289 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 378 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 309 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 248 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 315 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 248 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 223 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 250 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 230 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 233 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 473 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 212 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 206 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 208 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 229 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 226 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 261 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 246 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 222 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 226 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 199 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 247 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 251 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 210 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 267 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 235 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 415 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 238 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 254 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 215 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 231 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 197 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 343 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 195 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 236 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 217 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 194 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 215 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 266 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 218 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 248 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 230 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 213 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 224 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 219 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 201 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 233 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 210 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 214 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 219 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 225 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 217 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 218 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 215 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 240 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 205 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 217 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 279 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 233 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 217 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 246 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 210 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 227 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 214 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 216 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 208 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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