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Zosimos wrote:
>
> Despite your claim of 'advanced' knowledge you seem to cling
> to some simplistic assumptions.
>
> The 'I' is not the 'soul' but merely the ego

I agree. So what pronoun do I use when speaking of my soul as opposed to say, yours? OK...I'll say it this way if you're going split hairs: the soul does not divide into 2 physical bodies anymore than the ego or higher mind divides itself.

The sensory consciousness is secondary, a
> product of the body, not the real being. Even 'scientific'
> psychology admits that the conscious self is just a stream of
> impressions and not a real entity. Yet it tries to behave as
> if it is, and thus all the 'psychological problems' that
> humans are prone to. So this much is recognize by both modern
> 'scientific' psychology and traditional religuous/esoteric
> psychology.

The senses are still part of us, and in fact they dominate the mind--pull it downward, preventing it from untangling the knot between itself and the soul, located at the eye-center. The right kind of meditation can reverse this pull with the help of a true teacher:

[www.ishkiia.net]

> According to Vedic/Buddhist tradition and the Chinese Taoist
> tradition, even the deeper 'self' ('soul' or whatever you
> call it) is only an illusion and must ultimately be
> dissolved. If this 'self' is not a definite thing but a
> 'phenomenon' like personality does it have to be contained in
> any one location? Who is to say what forms it may take or how
> it might relate to the physical world? (Or more
> appropriately, does it need to relate to the physical world
> at all? Why does it need to be in a 'location' in extended
> space-time?)

Separation itself is an illusion--BUT...it's not an illusion to the one trapped in it. Only to one who is liberated. Also...illusion is relative. I will tell you from experience that the ether is more real than the physical, and the astral is more real than the ether, and the mental plane--"nirvana"--is more real than the top of the astral--yet all are illusory.

> Think:
>
> If there is 'no such thing as time' then how can the same
> 'soul' have more than one incarnation at all? Aren't ALL
> incarnations 'simultaneous' in ultimate timeless reality? So
> the 'soul' already has many different 'streams of
> consciousness' feeding into it. From a timeless perspective,
> what difference does it make whether some of those 'streams
> of consciousness' are closely related in the physical world
> of space-time? The experience of events in 'time' is a
> feature of the 'I' not the soul, there is no danger of
> 'confusion' from too much happening at once. :)

Everything is simultaneous I'm taught, but I have yet to experience that. I have experienced a degree of timelessness. This kind of high teaching cannot be reduced to words. It is beyond the mind's capacity and can only be understood when we have left the mind behind at it's origin--the top of Universal Mind, or "nirvana", or "trikuti"--and gone beyond it.

> I haven't found anything about this in Buddhist philosophy
> yet, but both the Cayce material and the Seth material
> maintain that simultaneous incarnations do occur.

Buddhist philosophy was written by the kind of people who put the bible together--put this in, leave that out, maybe he meant this, maybe that...
the guy lived 2500 years ago and whatever his followers are practicing today has little to do with his teachings on the inner path of the initiate.

Cayce and Seth are both entities channeling from the astral. Don't bet the mortagage on everything they say, especially Seth. There's enough truth in their stuff to make people want to bite the whole banana.
David

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reincarnation 715 Melusine 19-Jan-04 20:55
Re: reincarnation 238 Zosimos 19-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 197 Melusine 19-Jan-04 21:59
Re: reincarnation 219 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:09
Re: reincarnation 209 Melusine 20-Jan-04 03:59
Re: reincarnation 196 David L 19-Jan-04 23:24
Re: reincarnation 225 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:38
Re: reincarnation 218 David L 20-Jan-04 15:08
Re: reincarnation 181 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:19
Re: reincarnation 216 David L 21-Jan-04 15:10
Re: reincarnation 209 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:23
Re: reincarnation 208 David L 20-Jan-04 15:03
Re: reincarnation 217 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 21:38
Re: reincarnation 172 David L 20-Jan-04 23:22
Re: reincarnation 219 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:57
Re: reincarnation 208 Melusine 20-Jan-04 04:12
Re: reincarnation 187 David L 20-Jan-04 15:21
Re: reincarnation 197 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 17:13
Re: reincarnation 196 David L 20-Jan-04 18:54
Re: reincarnation 203 gene douglas 20-Jan-04 19:27
Re: reincarnation 223 David L 20-Jan-04 23:35
Re: reincarnation 244 banah 25-Jan-04 20:54
Re: reincarnation 216 David L 26-Jan-04 04:23
Re: reincarnation 210 banah 30-Jan-04 19:54
Water Symbolism 185 Cleopatra 11-Feb-04 13:59
Re: Water Symbolism 208 David L 11-Feb-04 17:32
Re: reincarnation 242 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 10:16
Re: reincarnation 245 gene douglas 21-Jan-04 13:26
Re: reincarnation 202 HarryWJYoung 22-Jan-04 00:21
Re: reincarnation 220 David L 21-Jan-04 15:26
Re: reincarnation 226 HarryWJYoung 21-Jan-04 16:02
Re: reincarnation 214 David L 21-Jan-04 22:13
Re: reincarnation 204 banah 25-Jan-04 19:41
Re: reincarnation 191 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:29
Re: reincarnation 206 fiascohoho 20-Jan-04 19:22
Re: reincarnation 213 David L 20-Jan-04 23:41
Re: reincarnation 215 Milo 21-Jan-04 00:39
Re: reincarnation 193 David L 21-Jan-04 02:48
Re: reincarnation 204 Milo 21-Jan-04 03:03
Re: reincarnation 214 David L 21-Jan-04 15:41
Re: reincarnation 211 Milo 21-Jan-04 15:58
Re: reincarnation 206 David L 21-Jan-04 22:20
Re: reincarnation 223 Milo 21-Jan-04 22:52
Re: reincarnation 201 David L 22-Jan-04 01:55
Re: reincarnation 195 Milo 22-Jan-04 02:13
Re: reincarnation 169 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 12:44
Re: reincarnation 217 Milo 22-Jan-04 17:00
Re: reincarnation 210 Nebankh 22-Jan-04 17:34
Re: reincarnation 159 Milo 22-Jan-04 19:09
Re: reincarnation 261 David L 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 355 Cesar 22-Jan-04 22:49
Re: reincarnation 280 David L 23-Jan-04 02:37
Re: reincarnation 226 Cesar 23-Jan-04 10:41
Re: reincarnation 287 David L 23-Jan-04 02:53
Re: reincarnation 227 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 09:41
Re: reincarnation 199 David L 23-Jan-04 15:36
Re: reincarnation 223 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 207 HarryWJYoung 23-Jan-04 17:06
Re: reincarnation 213 David L 23-Jan-04 20:28
Re: reincarnation 447 David L 23-Jan-04 20:10
Re: reincarnation 187 Milo 23-Jan-04 20:50
Re: reincarnation 184 David L 23-Jan-04 23:06
Re: reincarnation 186 Milo 23-Jan-04 23:43
Re: reincarnation 205 David L 24-Jan-04 01:04
Re: reincarnation 201 ArmchairObserver 24-Jan-04 07:43
Re: reincarnation 235 Cesar 24-Jan-04 17:31
Re: reincarnation 221 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:31
Re: reincarnation 199 Cesar 24-Jan-04 00:45
Re: reincarnation 203 Milo 22-Jan-04 23:17
Re: reincarnation 177 Zosimos 22-Jan-04 22:53
Re: reincarnation 222 lobo-hotei 19-Jan-04 23:26
Re: reincarnation 222 Zosimos 20-Jan-04 00:27
Re: reincarnation 187 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:08
Re: reincarnation 243 RichardC 20-Jan-04 13:06
Re: reincarnation 215 SunSword 14-Feb-04 18:13
Master of your own ship 378 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-04 18:31
Re: reincarnation 213 David L 19-Jan-04 23:16
Re: reincarnation 228 newrisingsun 19-Jan-04 23:37
Re: reincarnation 192 David L 20-Jan-04 01:33
Re: reincarnation 205 newrisingsun 20-Jan-04 17:04
Re: reincarnation 174 Saorsa 20-Jan-04 08:46
Re: reincarnation 312 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 16:35
Re: reincarnation 172 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:20
Re: reincarnation 209 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 09:15
Re: reincarnation 190 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 11:58
Re: reincarnation 170 ArmchairObserver 21-Jan-04 15:33
Re: reincarnation 188 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 16:19
Re: reincarnation 236 Aarooga 22-Jan-04 13:13
Re: reincarnation 195 Saorsa 22-Jan-04 14:48
Re: reincarnation 224 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 20:21
Fuzzy 205 Richard Fusniak 20-Jan-04 23:21
Re: Fuzzy 187 Saorsa 21-Jan-04 08:35
Re: Fuzzy 201 Mark Staab 22-Jan-04 21:53
Re: reincarnation 196 Segestan 21-Jan-04 16:33
Re: reincarnation 175 Earache 21-Jan-04 21:34
Re: reincarnation 210 Trygve Hogebol 22-Jan-04 07:17
Re: reincarnation 188 Earache 24-Jan-04 13:07
Re: reincarnation 190 Richard Fusniak 25-Jan-04 21:17
Re: reincarnation 195 Earache 31-Jan-04 15:42
Re: reincarnation 204 Alex S 26-Jan-04 01:56
Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 194 Richard Fusniak 27-Jan-04 01:26
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 193 Alex S 27-Jan-04 15:11
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 194 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 02:04
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 217 Alex S 29-Jan-04 12:13
Planetary Consciousness 178 Trygve Hogebol 30-Jan-04 05:59
Re: Planetary Consciousness 195 Mark Staab 30-Jan-04 16:18
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 260 timewaster 29-Jan-04 16:25
The value of regression 209 Richard Fusniak 31-Jan-04 23:17
Re: The value of regression 196 timewaster 02-Feb-04 03:22
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 226 David L 01-Feb-04 01:28
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 187 Trygve Hogebol 02-Feb-04 03:48
Re: Telepathic link doesn't explain reincarnation 204 Trygve Hogebol 29-Jan-04 02:58
King or pauper 195 Richard Fusniak 29-Jan-04 12:40
Re: King or pauper 193 Saorsa 29-Jan-04 12:51
Re: reincarnation 185 Lee McGiffen 27-Jan-04 10:38


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