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OakeyDokey wrote:
> I would say you most likely have seen it become more
> accepteable and mainstream, which is fair enough. I still
> feel its very stagnant at the moment.
>
> Strange thing a point of view, its quite difficult to step
> back and view it at a distance i suppose.
>
> The music I listen to know and is being played seems very
> similar to underground, rap and techno that had its birth in
> the late 80's and yes it does seem more mainstream also.
> Weird.

I don't know whether these trends are applicable to the culture as a whole, I think though that by the late 80's period you cite, the music scenes were already quite fragmented. This fragmentation has only increased since that time to where it's almost become pointilistic. Mainstreaming, in the sense of the shock of the new wearing off, happens to everything, the riotous reception to Dada and modernist art and music back in the day just puzzles us today. A mainstream culture however no longer exists so far as I can see. In the 60's and into the 70's there was a center around which trends revolved and a common shared culture existed among youth that allowed for an openness to the fringes. By the mid 70's there was a retreat into various opposing camps, folk rock, country rock, progressive, pub, etc.; all of them relatively meaningless terms. Punk, Hip Hop, Disco, Dub, what have you, just accelerated the process. What happened in the 90's though was that people of your generation blurred all the earlier categories and were listening to everything from the 60's, or even earlier, on. There were plenty of obscure bands who were selling more and were better known in '97 than they'd been in '72. Now it seems once again that the culture is revolving around a center, small autonomous zones freely intermixing with each other and with music history, except that the center it seems, is populated only by a vacuum reserved for whatever faceless flavor of the month is vorticised by the industry. The reason it seems stagnant is that there are no dominant forces, everything is happening at once, and many artists are no longer content to stay in their place. I subscribe to The Wire, which is emblematic of the trends. DJs name check Stockhausen and Xennakis as well as Grandmaster Flash, laptop improvisers and Japanese noise artists are obsessed with English folk music, remixers and dub artists draw on Bollywood, ie Indian, film music and Appalachian murder ballads, jazz musicians are interpreting Wagner and Mahler. For awhile it seemed like there was a new sub-genre every issue, which was okay except I got the uncomfortable feeling some of their writers thought the terms actually meant something. There's a lot of brilliance and a lot of dross and it's coming at us in mind numbing quantities.

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Something I've noticed... 810 Jergat 16-Jan-04 04:39
Yes! ...n/t. 263 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 04:48
Re: Something I've noticed... 247 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 268 Jergat 16-Jan-04 05:17
Re: Something I've noticed... 256 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 05:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 253 Jergat 16-Jan-04 06:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 311 sean 17-Jan-04 01:37
Re: Something I've noticed... 272 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:06
Re: Something I've noticed... 286 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 282 OakeyDokey 16-Jan-04 20:09
(outside of the Box) .... 250 Thirdwave 16-Jan-04 22:49
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 266 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 07:46
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 237 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 10:00
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 289 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 15:04
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 250 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:26
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 277 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 306 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 22:41
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 261 Briffits 18-Jan-04 22:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 237 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:00
Re: Something I've noticed... 251 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:11
Re: to explain further 286 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:39
Re: to explain further 278 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:00
Re: to explain further 315 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:18
Re: 2012 314 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:36
Re: to explain further 285 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:44
Re: to explain further 256 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:01
Re: to explain further 276 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 02:11
Re: to explain further 243 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:34
Re: to explain further 255 Hoppy 17-Jan-04 03:38
Re: to explain further 240 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:25
Re: to explain further 254 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 09:26
Re: to explain further 228 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 05:48
Re: to explain further 248 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 236 David L 17-Jan-04 03:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 273 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 08:06
2012 is NOT the end of the world. 245 Cleopatra 17-Jan-04 09:14
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 293 David L 17-Jan-04 16:39
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 240 Cleopatra 18-Jan-04 10:12
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 258 David L 18-Jan-04 17:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 270 David L 18-Jan-04 18:04
No "One Way" but many 235 Thirdwave 19-Jan-04 00:32
Re: No "One Way" but many 245 David L 19-Jan-04 14:57
Re: No "One Way" but many 244 Milo 19-Jan-04 15:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 239 David L 19-Jan-04 23:43
Re: No "One Way" but many 247 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 375 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:22
Re: No "One Way" but many 255 Milo 20-Jan-04 00:00
Re: No "One Way" but many 380 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:20
Re: No "One Way" but many 256 RichardC 19-Jan-04 16:25
Re: No "One Way" but many 274 David L 19-Jan-04 23:50
Re: No "One Way" but many 299 RichardC 20-Jan-04 14:30
Re: No "One Way" but many 261 Milo 20-Jan-04 14:46
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 245 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:40
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 261 David L 19-Jan-04 23:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 310 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:34
Re: Something I've noticed... 248 David L 17-Jan-04 16:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 274 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 305 OakeyDokey 19-Jan-04 17:55
Re: Something I've noticed... 320 Earache 18-Jan-04 13:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 249 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:06
Read these. 270 Earache 20-Jan-04 15:13
Re: Something I've noticed... 313 RichardC 18-Jan-04 21:58
Re: Something I've noticed... 237 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 07:03
Re: Something I've noticed... 230 Trygve Hogebol 20-Jan-04 08:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 268 fisherman 20-Jan-04 18:56
Re: Something I've noticed... 274 Trygve Hogebol 21-Jan-04 00:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 253 fisherman 21-Jan-04 15:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 287 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:38
Re: Something I've noticed... 254 Hoppy 29-Jan-04 01:51
Re: Something I've noticed... 299 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 02:51
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 258 Nebankh 06-Feb-04 10:35
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 252 Jergat 11-Feb-04 01:02
Re: Pisces 511 Nebankh 11-Feb-04 12:04


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