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OakeyDokey wrote:
> I would say you most likely have seen it become more
> accepteable and mainstream, which is fair enough. I still
> feel its very stagnant at the moment.
>
> Strange thing a point of view, its quite difficult to step
> back and view it at a distance i suppose.
>
> The music I listen to know and is being played seems very
> similar to underground, rap and techno that had its birth in
> the late 80's and yes it does seem more mainstream also.
> Weird.

I don't know whether these trends are applicable to the culture as a whole, I think though that by the late 80's period you cite, the music scenes were already quite fragmented. This fragmentation has only increased since that time to where it's almost become pointilistic. Mainstreaming, in the sense of the shock of the new wearing off, happens to everything, the riotous reception to Dada and modernist art and music back in the day just puzzles us today. A mainstream culture however no longer exists so far as I can see. In the 60's and into the 70's there was a center around which trends revolved and a common shared culture existed among youth that allowed for an openness to the fringes. By the mid 70's there was a retreat into various opposing camps, folk rock, country rock, progressive, pub, etc.; all of them relatively meaningless terms. Punk, Hip Hop, Disco, Dub, what have you, just accelerated the process. What happened in the 90's though was that people of your generation blurred all the earlier categories and were listening to everything from the 60's, or even earlier, on. There were plenty of obscure bands who were selling more and were better known in '97 than they'd been in '72. Now it seems once again that the culture is revolving around a center, small autonomous zones freely intermixing with each other and with music history, except that the center it seems, is populated only by a vacuum reserved for whatever faceless flavor of the month is vorticised by the industry. The reason it seems stagnant is that there are no dominant forces, everything is happening at once, and many artists are no longer content to stay in their place. I subscribe to The Wire, which is emblematic of the trends. DJs name check Stockhausen and Xennakis as well as Grandmaster Flash, laptop improvisers and Japanese noise artists are obsessed with English folk music, remixers and dub artists draw on Bollywood, ie Indian, film music and Appalachian murder ballads, jazz musicians are interpreting Wagner and Mahler. For awhile it seemed like there was a new sub-genre every issue, which was okay except I got the uncomfortable feeling some of their writers thought the terms actually meant something. There's a lot of brilliance and a lot of dross and it's coming at us in mind numbing quantities.

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Something I've noticed... 759 Jergat 16-Jan-04 04:39
Yes! ...n/t. 251 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 04:48
Re: Something I've noticed... 235 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 255 Jergat 16-Jan-04 05:17
Re: Something I've noticed... 243 Cleopatra 16-Jan-04 05:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 241 Jergat 16-Jan-04 06:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 298 sean 17-Jan-04 01:37
Re: Something I've noticed... 260 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:06
Re: Something I've noticed... 274 fiascohoho 16-Jan-04 05:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 269 OakeyDokey 16-Jan-04 20:09
(outside of the Box) .... 237 Thirdwave 16-Jan-04 22:49
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 253 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 07:46
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 224 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 10:00
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 277 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 15:04
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 239 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:26
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 265 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 295 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 22:41
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 248 Briffits 18-Jan-04 22:52
Re: (outside of the Box) .... 225 ArmchairObserver 18-Jan-04 18:00
Re: Something I've noticed... 240 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:11
Re: to explain further 274 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 00:39
Re: to explain further 264 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:00
Re: to explain further 303 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:18
Re: 2012 300 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 01:36
Re: to explain further 272 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 01:44
Re: to explain further 244 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:01
Re: to explain further 263 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 02:11
Re: to explain further 232 Nebankh 17-Jan-04 02:34
Re: to explain further 242 Hoppy 17-Jan-04 03:38
Re: to explain further 228 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:25
Re: to explain further 241 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 09:26
Re: to explain further 215 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 05:48
Re: to explain further 235 Jergat 17-Jan-04 06:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 224 David L 17-Jan-04 03:49
Re: Something I've noticed... 261 ArmchairObserver 17-Jan-04 08:06
2012 is NOT the end of the world. 232 Cleopatra 17-Jan-04 09:14
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 281 David L 17-Jan-04 16:39
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 227 Cleopatra 18-Jan-04 10:12
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 244 David L 18-Jan-04 17:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 257 David L 18-Jan-04 18:04
No "One Way" but many 220 Thirdwave 19-Jan-04 00:32
Re: No "One Way" but many 233 David L 19-Jan-04 14:57
Re: No "One Way" but many 231 Milo 19-Jan-04 15:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 227 David L 19-Jan-04 23:43
Re: No "One Way" but many 232 Milo 19-Jan-04 23:52
Re: No "One Way" but many 359 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:22
Re: No "One Way" but many 242 Milo 20-Jan-04 00:00
Re: No "One Way" but many 364 Aarooga 20-Jan-04 17:20
Re: No "One Way" but many 241 RichardC 19-Jan-04 16:25
Re: No "One Way" but many 262 David L 19-Jan-04 23:50
Re: No "One Way" but many 286 RichardC 20-Jan-04 14:30
Re: No "One Way" but many 248 Milo 20-Jan-04 14:46
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 232 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:40
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 248 David L 19-Jan-04 23:54
Re: 2012 is NOT the end of the world. 297 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:34
Re: Something I've noticed... 235 David L 17-Jan-04 16:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 262 wirelessguru1 19-Jan-04 04:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 294 OakeyDokey 19-Jan-04 17:55
Re: Something I've noticed... 303 Earache 18-Jan-04 13:44
Re: Something I've noticed... 237 OakeyDokey 18-Jan-04 18:06
Read these. 255 Earache 20-Jan-04 15:13
Re: Something I've noticed... 300 RichardC 18-Jan-04 21:58
Re: Something I've noticed... 224 Dominick Ohrbeck 20-Jan-04 07:03
Re: Something I've noticed... 216 Trygve Hogebol 20-Jan-04 08:31
Re: Something I've noticed... 254 fisherman 20-Jan-04 18:56
Re: Something I've noticed... 261 Trygve Hogebol 21-Jan-04 00:07
Re: Something I've noticed... 241 fisherman 21-Jan-04 15:30
Re: Something I've noticed... 276 Melusine 20-Jan-04 18:38
Re: Something I've noticed... 242 Hoppy 29-Jan-04 01:51
Re: Something I've noticed... 287 wirelessguru1 29-Jan-04 02:51
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 245 Nebankh 06-Feb-04 10:35
Re: The changes of ages - great explanatory article 240 Jergat 11-Feb-04 01:02
Re: Pisces 477 Nebankh 11-Feb-04 12:04


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