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Super post for which many thanks. I wish such ideas and words had been around for me to read when I was younger as my belief in God would not have hung around as long as it did!

Susan

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Thank you for your interesting reply. That
> needing of a sense of control over the elements is
> something I certainly hadn't thought of as a
> reason for religions, but which immediately makes
> sense. I wonder why our human species felt that
> need because even with a quick thought or two, I
> cannot think of any other species which exhibits
> anything like such a thought. What do you
> think?
>
> We are highly cognitive and aware. In a natural
> environment, determining cause and effect has an
> immediate role to play in survival. To determine
> cause, we have to establish a set of laws or a
> sense of order, and when events take place outside
> of that ordered cause and effect cycle with no
> understanding of modern science (a lightning bolt,
> for example), the only avenue for cognitive
> continuity is the supernatural - because it
> doesn't make sense. Then, because it doesn't make
> sense with our understanding of cause and effect,
> we try to appease it. It takes on an identity,
> like Thor, or Indra, or Zeus (all related to same
> Indo-European source that traces back to Ancient
> North Eurasians, btw). Humans need security and
> order, and when that can't be established through
> logical means, magic and ritual comes into play.
>
> Is this religion? I think so. Now what if they
> observe odd things they have no understanding of
> like static electricity? How does their mind
> process this? Or a meteor shooting across the sky
> with an understanding of reality that doesn't
> include space at all?
>
> Religion has, for 50,000 years, been ritualistic
> and functionary. It served a purpose related to
> survival and story-telling, which is interwoven.
>
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That also sounds like a very good reason
> for the ideas which came to be called religion.
> From what is known about homo erectus,
> Neanderthals, etc, I think it seems logical that
> they had those ideas too, but that homo sapiens
> expanded and rounded out the ideas. That needed
> sophisticated language.
>
> I don't know about Erectus, but Neanderthal
> certainly had some sense of life after death as it
> is pretty well established that they buried their
> dead with offerings (Shanadar Cave, etc). However
> that transition from a functionary religion to a
> devotional one only happens recently, because our
> ease of life only occurred recently. We no longer
> had to make sense of bird warning calls, or watch
> the way grass bends when a lion is stalking. With
> that ease in the demand for survival came the
> luxury to ponder, revere, and develop a sense of
> devotion with a brain that has 4 million
> evolutionary years of wired ritual survival.
>
> Combine those attributes and conditions.

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What is religion FOR? 586 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 14:19
Re: What is religion FOR? 59 Eddie Larry 14-Oct-21 14:49
Re: What is religion FOR? 70 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 17:05
Re: What is religion FOR? 47 Eddie Larry 14-Oct-21 21:33
Re: What is religion FOR? 57 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 21:52
Re: What is religion FOR? 52 Eddie Larry 14-Oct-21 22:13
Re: What is religion FOR? 55 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 22:23
Re: What is religion FOR? 69 Eddie Larry 14-Oct-21 22:32
Re: What is religion FOR? 52 greengirl5 14-Oct-21 22:16
Re: What is religion FOR? 59 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 22:32
Re: What is religion FOR? 48 greengirl5 14-Oct-21 22:41
Re: What is religion FOR? 61 Wheeler 14-Oct-21 15:23
Re: What is religion FOR? 54 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 17:00
Re: What is religion FOR? 50 Wheeler 14-Oct-21 17:06
Re: What is religion FOR? 60 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 17:11
Re: What is religion FOR? 59 Wheeler 14-Oct-21 17:23
Re: What is religion FOR? 44 Eddie Larry 14-Oct-21 21:24
Re: What is religion FOR? 46 Wheeler 14-Oct-21 21:38
Re: What is religion FOR? 45 Eddie Larry 14-Oct-21 22:22
Re: What is religion FOR? 45 Wheeler 14-Oct-21 22:27
Re: What is religion FOR? 83 Eddie Larry 15-Oct-21 15:24
Re: What is religion FOR? 67 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 21:38
Re: What is religion FOR? 49 Wheeler 14-Oct-21 22:35
Re: What is religion FOR? 50 poster72 14-Oct-21 18:13
Re: What is religion FOR? 48 drrayeye 14-Oct-21 18:55
Re: What is religion FOR? 45 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 05:12
When Government actively suppresses Religion 94 drrayeye 15-Oct-21 10:53
Re: When Government actively suppresses Religion 78 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 15:06
Religion gaining or regaining political power 45 drrayeye 16-Oct-21 12:32
Re: What is religion FOR? 80 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 22:18
Re: What is religion FOR? 54 Naveen 14-Oct-21 20:30
Re: What is religion FOR? 61 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 05:25
Re: What is religion FOR? 58 greengirl5 14-Oct-21 22:26
Re: What is religion FOR? 46 Eddie Larry 14-Oct-21 22:37
Re: What is religion FOR? 52 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 05:45
Re: What is religion FOR? 51 Eddie Larry 15-Oct-21 15:22
Re: What is religion FOR? 46 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 17:15
Re: What is religion FOR? 44 Eddie Larry 15-Oct-21 20:47
Re: What is religion FOR? 40 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 22:04
Re: What is religion FOR? 42 Eddie Larry 15-Oct-21 22:41
Re: What is religion FOR? 60 Susan Doris 16-Oct-21 05:51
Re: What is religion FOR? 42 Eddie Larry 16-Oct-21 13:43
Re: What is religion FOR? 40 Susan Doris 16-Oct-21 16:22
Re: What is religion FOR? 71 Eddie Larry 16-Oct-21 19:49
Re: What is religion FOR? 68 Susan Doris 14-Oct-21 22:39
Re: What is religion FOR? 58 Te Henua Nagual 15-Oct-21 03:57
Re: What is religion FOR? 70 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 07:15
Re: What is religion FOR? 43 greengirl5 16-Oct-21 00:20
Re: What is religion FOR? 42 Susan Doris 16-Oct-21 05:56
Re: What is religion FOR? 41 Te Henua Nagual 16-Oct-21 08:52
Re: What is religion FOR? 41 Susan Doris 16-Oct-21 11:07
Re: What is religion FOR? 42 Te Henua Nagual 17-Oct-21 09:16
Re: What is religion FOR? 41 Susan Doris 17-Oct-21 12:11
Re: What is religion FOR? 42 Te Henua Nagual 17-Oct-21 12:58
Re: What is religion FOR? 92 Susan Doris 17-Oct-21 14:47
Re: What is science FOR? 108 cladking 15-Oct-21 16:33
Re: What is science FOR? 59 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 17:22
Re: What is science FOR? 69 cladking 15-Oct-21 21:55
Re: What is science FOR? 57 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 22:19
Re: What is science FOR? 79 greengirl5 16-Oct-21 00:14
Re: What is science FOR? 51 Susan Doris 16-Oct-21 05:59
Re: What is science FOR? 84 cladking 16-Oct-21 14:14
Re: What is science FOR? 50 greengirl5 15-Oct-21 22:21
Re: What is science FOR? 41 greengirl5 15-Oct-21 22:08
Re: What is science FOR? 40 Susan Doris 15-Oct-21 22:32
Re: What is science FOR? 43 greengirl5 16-Oct-21 00:42
Re: What is science FOR? 42 Susan Doris 16-Oct-21 05:47
Confusion 60 Archaic 17-Oct-21 02:43
Re: Confusion 52 Susan Doris 17-Oct-21 05:47
Re: Confusion 45 Susan Doris 17-Oct-21 07:05
Re: Confusion 56 greengirl5 17-Oct-21 08:00
Re: Confusion 93 Eddie Larry 17-Oct-21 19:54
Re: Confusion 49 Susan Doris 17-Oct-21 21:00
Re: Confusion 102 Eddie Larry 17-Oct-21 21:30
Re: Confusion 87 greengirl5 17-Oct-21 21:58
Re: Confusion 103 Eddie Larry 17-Oct-21 22:33
Re: Confusion 47 Susan Doris 18-Oct-21 11:55
Re: Confusion 89 Sirius7237 18-Oct-21 16:05
Re: Confusion 47 Susan Doris 19-Oct-21 06:29
Re: Confusion 58 Archaic 20-Oct-21 04:49
Re: Confusion 38 Susan Doris 20-Oct-21 05:32
Re: Confusion 51 Archaic 24-Oct-21 01:23
Re: Confusion 45 Susan Doris 24-Oct-21 04:56
Re: Confusion 47 Archaic 20-Oct-21 04:33
Re: Confusion 42 Susan Doris 20-Oct-21 05:39
Re: Confusion 46 Archaic 24-Oct-21 01:31
Re: What is religion FOR? 103 Remedios 18-Oct-21 18:46
Re: What is religion FOR? 90 Susan Doris 19-Oct-21 09:50
Re: What is religion FOR? 36 Eddie Larry 19-Oct-21 12:55
Re: What is religion FOR? 38 Susan Doris 19-Oct-21 13:31
Re: What is religion FOR? 60 Eddie Larry 19-Oct-21 14:10
Re: What is religion FOR? 43 Susan Doris 19-Oct-21 15:39
Re: What is religion FOR? 74 Eddie Larry 19-Oct-21 15:56
Re: What is religion FOR? 38 greengirl5 20-Oct-21 23:25
Re: What is religion FOR? 38 Eddie Larry 21-Oct-21 01:28
Re: What is religion FOR? 52 Susan Doris 21-Oct-21 05:21
and that's where you win 83 drrayeye 22-Oct-21 07:27
Re: and that's where you win 83 Susan Doris 22-Oct-21 08:10
Re: and that's where you win 46 drrayeye 22-Oct-21 21:30
Re: and that's where you win 70 Susan Doris 23-Oct-21 10:50
put down? nope 39 drrayeye 23-Oct-21 17:49
Re: put down? nope 60 Archaic 24-Oct-21 01:37
Where have you been--2? 34 drrayeye 25-Oct-21 01:54
Re: Where have you been--2? 40 Susan Doris 25-Oct-21 05:06
Re: Where have you been--2? 37 Archaic 26-Oct-21 23:19
Re: put down? nope 85 Susan Doris 25-Oct-21 05:24
Re: put down? nope 50 Susan Doris 24-Oct-21 05:17
Re: What is religion FOR? 89 Remedios 18-Oct-21 18:49
Re: What is religion FOR? 44 Susan Doris 19-Oct-21 06:19
Re: What is religion FOR? 50 Wheeler 19-Oct-21 15:39
Re: What is religion FOR? 46 Sirius7237 19-Oct-21 15:48
Re: What is religion FOR? 86 Eddie Larry 19-Oct-21 15:52
Re: What is religion FOR? 47 Sirius7237 21-Oct-21 02:08
Re: What is religion FOR? 35 Eddie Larry 21-Oct-21 03:13
Re: What is religion FOR? 84 Sirius7237 21-Oct-21 04:25
Re: What is religion FOR? 51 Wheeler 19-Oct-21 15:54
Re: What is religion FOR? 38 Sirius7237 21-Oct-21 04:19
Re: What is religion FOR? 87 Susan Doris 19-Oct-21 17:23
Re: What is religion FOR? 40 Sirius7237 20-Oct-21 22:54
Re: What is religion FOR? 53 Susan Doris 19-Oct-21 17:14
Re: What is religion FOR? 48 Wheeler 19-Oct-21 17:24
Re: What is religion FOR? 95 Susan Doris 19-Oct-21 17:31
Enough evangelistic Gospel of Susan 56 drrayeye 19-Oct-21 20:18
Re: Enough evangelistic Gospel of Susan 48 Archaic 20-Oct-21 04:50
Re: Enough evangelistic Gospel of Susan 69 Susan Doris 20-Oct-21 05:05
Re: Enough evangelistic Gospel of Susan 77 drrayeye 25-Oct-21 22:47
Re: Enough evangelistic Gospel of Susan 44 Susan Doris 26-Oct-21 10:13
Does it really matter? 36 drrayeye 26-Oct-21 18:12
Re: Does it really matter? 56 Susan Doris 27-Oct-21 05:13
Re: Enough evangelistic Gospel of Susan 38 Archaic 30-Oct-21 03:40
Re: Enough evangelistic Gospel of Susan 34 Eddie Larry 01-Nov-21 22:25
Re: Enough evangelistic Gospel of Susan 30 Eddie Larry 01-Nov-21 22:22
Where have you been? 46 drrayeye 20-Oct-21 13:03
Re: Where have you been? 94 Susan Doris 20-Oct-21 14:16
Re: What is religion FOR? 61 drew 27-Oct-21 08:11
Re: What is religion FOR? 62 Susan Doris 27-Oct-21 09:38
Re: What is religion FOR? 41 drew 28-Oct-21 08:48
Re: What is religion FOR? 62 Susan Doris 28-Oct-21 14:00
Re: What is religion FOR? 59 drew 29-Oct-21 20:51
Re: What is religion FOR? 42 Susan Doris 30-Oct-21 05:57
Re: What is religion FOR? 40 drew 31-Oct-21 03:45
ps 56 drew 31-Oct-21 03:49
Re: ps 14 greengirl5 22-Nov-21 06:42
Re: What is religion FOR? 50 Susan Doris 31-Oct-21 05:50
Re: What is religion FOR? 56 drew 31-Oct-21 06:31
Re: What is religion FOR? 43 Susan Doris 31-Oct-21 09:06
Re: What is religion FOR? 43 drew 01-Nov-21 05:35
Re: What is religion FOR? 39 Susan Doris 01-Nov-21 06:29
Re: What is religion FOR? 31 drew 03-Nov-21 07:01
Great thoughtful heartfelt post 33 drrayeye 01-Nov-21 20:49
Re: Great thoughtful heartfelt post 52 drew 03-Nov-21 07:12
Re: What is religion FOR? What is morse code for? 20 greengirl5 22-Nov-21 06:53
Re: What is religion FOR? What is morse code for? 21 Susan Doris 22-Nov-21 14:41
Re: What is religion FOR? What is morse code for? 25 greengirl5 22-Nov-21 19:51
Re: What is religion FOR? What is morse code for? 25 Eddie Larry 22-Nov-21 20:33
Re: What is religion FOR? What is morse code for? 23 Susan Doris 23-Nov-21 06:12
Re: What is religion FOR? What is morse code for? 34 greengirl5 23-Nov-21 21:25
Re: What is religion FOR? What is morse code for? 19 drew 23-Nov-21 01:21
Re: What is religion FOR? What is morse code for? 21 greengirl5 23-Nov-21 01:48
Great fun 52 drrayeye 27-Oct-21 12:43
Re: Great fun 51 drew 28-Oct-21 08:59
Re: Great fun 47 Susan Doris 28-Oct-21 13:53


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