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greengirl5 Wrote:
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> Are Buddhists sinners? Hindus? As far as I know I
> don't think they see themselves as such.
> Not sure about Muslims and Jews either.
>
> But Christians, yes, yes. They have to be, or they
> could not get saved.

A sin is a crime against God, the idea of sin hinges on the concept that God exists. If God doesn’t exist then neither does sin. If God does exist, does he/she/it actually care enough to set rules or are all sins man made ideals of what they think God wants or expects of us?

> The bible, common to Jews and Christians and to a
> certain degree the Muslims (as far as I know)
> tells about the garden of Eden. God put a fruit
> tree there and everybody assumes it was an apple
> tree. Who knows!
> Anyway, then God said to the first couple of
> humans (were they married?) that they were not
> allowed to eat any apple, so why the dickens did
> he put it there? Rather dumb or nasty or what does
> everybody think? To see if Adam and Eve would
> obey?
> Strange sort of dad.

The curious thing to note about the Eden story is that it clearly proves that God lied and the serpent told the truth.
God told Adam that he would die if he ate from the tree; he ate the fruit but didn’t die. The serpent told Eve it would give her knowledge; it did.
Who is the good guy in this story?

> I could have predicted they would try a lovely
> looking Apple. Children have pinched apples from
> trees ever since, and why not? They are healthy.

God the all knowing all seeing didn’t see this coming?
I used to work with a lovely Muslim lady who wore a head scarf at all times, one day she was scratching her head through the scarf. I asked her if she ever got the urge to just rip it off and have a damn good scratch. She replied that he is always watching and pointed heavenward. I pointed out to her that when Adam and Eve first ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge they discovered they were naked and covered themselves. God who was having a stroll about the garden could not at first find them (find a friend app hadn’t been invented then) when he did finally find them he was angry. So I pointed out that with only two people on the entire planet, with only one rule to follow, God failed to keep an eye on them, how is he ever going to notice if you haven’t got a scarf on with the billions here now? No matter how you look at it this is the first ever recorded case of bad parenting.

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Why are we all sinners? 739 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 09:11
Re: Why are we all sinners? 145 Naveen 05-Jul-20 11:50
Re: Why are we all sinners? 142 Susan Doris 05-Jul-20 13:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 140 Itatw70s 05-Jul-20 20:46
Light, life, love 123 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 22:39
Re: Light, life, love 121 Itatw70s 05-Jul-20 23:16
Sinners? 124 grangram 06-Jul-20 06:07
Re: Why are we all sinners? 115 Itatw70s 17-Jul-20 00:15
The snake told the Truth 123 Eddie Larry 05-Jul-20 13:58
Re: The snake told the Truth 114 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 14:50
Re: Why are we all sinners? 117 drrayeye 05-Jul-20 14:32
Re: Why are we all sinners? 115 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 15:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 121 drrayeye 05-Jul-20 16:09
Re: Why are we all sinners? 130 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 22:32
Re: Why are we all sinners? 121 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 05:40
Re: Why are we all sinners? 109 greengirl5 06-Jul-20 07:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 137 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 09:48
Abstract analyses vs. individual reality 111 drrayeye 06-Jul-20 20:23
Re: Abstract analyses vs. individual reality 113 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 23:06
Your question 113 drrayeye 07-Jul-20 05:09
Re: Your question 119 Susan Doris 07-Jul-20 05:45
Re: Your question 112 Eddie Larry 24-Jul-20 00:29
Re: Your question 106 Susan Doris 24-Jul-20 04:58
Many variants 103 greengirl5 24-Jul-20 08:46
[quote]Why do most people think it is wrong to steal? Probably because they can imagine how annoyed and inconvenienced they would be if they got burgled. [/quote]If survival is at stake, and food supply is scarce, then taking, if they can, the food anothe 115 Susan Doris 24-Jul-20 12:50
Re: [quote]Why do most people think it is wrong to steal? Probably because they can imagine how annoyed and inconvenienced they would be if they got burgled. [/quote]If survival is at stake, and food supply is scarce, then taking, if they can, the food an 108 Itatw70s 25-Jul-20 22:14
IF food were scarce then we weigh in as survival of the fittest. We are not so noble if we don't have food, the basic neccessity. 81 Itatw70s 04-Sep-20 18:49
Re: IF food were scarce then we weigh in as survival of the fittest. We are not so noble if we don't have food, the basic neccessity. 86 Susan Doris 05-Sep-20 04:55
Re: [quote]Why do most people think it is wrong to steal? Probably because they can imagine how annoyed and inconvenienced they would be if they got burgled. [/quote]If survival is at stake, and food supply is scarce, then taking, if they can, the food an 84 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 14:40
Re: Your question 108 Eddie Larry 24-Jul-20 15:40
Re: Your question 117 Itatw70s 25-Jul-20 22:23
Re: Your question 88 Eddie Larry 03-Sep-20 23:07
Re: Your question 101 Itatw70s 25-Jul-20 22:08
Wrong-doing 114 greengirl5 06-Jul-20 21:55
Re: Wrong-doing 117 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-20 22:27
Re: Wrong-doing 121 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 23:25
Re: Wrong-doing 132 greengirl5 07-Jul-20 06:30
Re: Why are we all sinners? 138 Susan Doris 05-Jul-20 17:05
What difference does it make? 126 drrayeye 06-Jul-20 01:14
Re: What difference does it make? 109 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 05:49
Re: Why are we all sinners? 98 Itatw70s 20-Jul-20 17:59
Re: Why are we all sinners? 123 PB Bytes 05-Jul-20 16:36
Re: Why are we all sinners? 111 Eddie Larry 05-Jul-20 18:07
Re: Why are we all sinners? 116 PB Bytes 05-Jul-20 18:17
Re: Why are we all sinners? 119 Eddie Larry 05-Jul-20 18:21
Re: Why are we all sinners? 115 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 23:18
Re: Why are we all sinners? 114 Eddie Larry 05-Jul-20 23:57
Re: Why are we all sinners? 112 greengirl5 06-Jul-20 02:56
Re: Why are we all sinners? 114 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 07:27
Re: Why are we all sinners? 111 greengirl5 06-Jul-20 22:41
Re: Why are we all sinners? 134 eyeofhorus33 14-Jul-20 06:56
Re: Why are we all sinners? 111 PB Bytes 19-Jul-20 16:18
G. F. Handel would Disagree 111 drrayeye 19-Jul-20 22:02
Re: G. F. Handel would Disagree 112 PB Bytes 19-Jul-20 22:36
Modern update 112 drrayeye 20-Jul-20 03:26
Modern junk....... 87 Itatw70s 04-Sep-20 23:18
Re: Why are we all sinners? 108 Susan Doris 20-Jul-20 04:57
I know why we are all sinners! 110 greengirl5 20-Jul-20 10:04
Re: I know why we are all sinners! 110 Itatw70s 20-Jul-20 18:37
Re: Why are we all sinners? 74 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 18:49
Re: Why are we all sinners? 128 eli stills 12-Jul-20 22:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 139 eyeofhorus33 14-Jul-20 06:52
Re: Why are we all sinners? 112 Susan Doris 14-Jul-20 08:11
Re: Why are we all sinners? 113 grangram 14-Jul-20 09:44
Re: Why are we all sinners? 116 Susan Doris 14-Jul-20 09:50
Re: Why are we all sinners? 110 Eddie Larry 14-Jul-20 14:26
Re: Why are we all sinners? 116 PB Bytes 14-Jul-20 14:29
Re: Why are we all sinners? 121 Susan Doris 14-Jul-20 15:28
Re: Why are we all sinners? 125 PB Bytes 14-Jul-20 16:31
Re: Why are we all sinners? 131 eyeofhorus33 16-Jul-20 10:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 118 Susan Doris 16-Jul-20 10:20
It's a sin to tell a lie 116 drrayeye 16-Jul-20 19:35
Re: It's a sin to tell a lie 114 Itatw70s 17-Jul-20 23:12
Re: Why are we all sinners? 106 PB Bytes 19-Jul-20 17:25
Why you are all sinners, but I am not! 118 greengirl5 15-Jul-20 03:42
I knew lots about sin 109 drrayeye 15-Jul-20 08:45
Re: I knew lots about sin 125 Susan Doris 15-Jul-20 09:02
Re: I knew lots about sin 111 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 13:15
Re: I knew lots about sin 106 grangram 18-Jul-20 14:14
Re: I knew lots about sin 105 Susan Doris 18-Jul-20 15:19
The Ground of Being 106 grangram 18-Jul-20 17:28
Re: I knew lots about sin 106 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 21:08
Re: I knew lots about sin 102 Susan Doris 18-Jul-20 15:14
You've got it backwards 102 drrayeye 18-Jul-20 16:58
Re: You've got it backwards 106 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 21:44
Re: You've got it backwards 108 Susan Doris 19-Jul-20 04:43
Re: You've got it backwards 105 drrayeye 19-Jul-20 06:27
Re: I knew lots about sin 110 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 21:33
You can answer your own questions 107 drrayeye 18-Jul-20 17:10
Re: Why are we all sinners? 134 eyeofhorus33 16-Jul-20 10:02
Re: Why are we all sinners? 120 greengirl5 15-Jul-20 03:24
Re: Why are we all sinners? 129 eyeofhorus33 16-Jul-20 10:12
Re: Why are we all sinners? 132 grangram 18-Jul-20 05:41
Re: Why are we all sinners? 111 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 21:55
Re: Why are we all sinners? 81 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 20:06
Re: Why are we all sinners? 111 Susan Doris 17-Jul-20 09:24
For something you don't believe exists 111 drrayeye 17-Jul-20 10:46
Re: For something you don't believe exists 115 Susan Doris 17-Jul-20 12:37
Re: For something you don't believe exists 109 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 01:18
Re: For something you don't believe exists 111 Susan Doris 18-Jul-20 05:01
Re: For something you don't believe exists 110 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 05:08
Re: For something you don't believe exists 112 Susan Doris 18-Jul-20 07:18
Re: For something you don't believe exists 108 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 14:14
Re: Why are we all graciously Cared For? 119 Itatw70s 17-Jul-20 21:15
Happy endings 109 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 01:24
Re: Happy endings 102 grangram 18-Jul-20 05:23
Fat chance 115 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 01:14
Sin 115 drrayeye 18-Jul-20 17:52
And now-Hope!!! 111 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 22:07
Sin, nastiness, judging 112 greengirl5 19-Jul-20 00:01
Mostly a sweetheart 109 drrayeye 19-Jul-20 02:51
Re: Mostly a sweetheart 109 greengirl5 19-Jul-20 04:15
Re: Mostly a sweetheart 105 drrayeye 19-Jul-20 05:39
Re: Mostly a sweetheart 93 Itatw70s 04-Sep-20 23:32
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 106 Itatw70s 23-Jul-20 01:04
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 110 greengirl5 23-Jul-20 03:11
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 110 Itatw70s 23-Jul-20 23:22
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 103 grangram 29-Jul-20 13:26
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 135 Itatw70s 29-Jul-20 16:04
Re: Why are we all sinners? 123 eyeofhorus33 19-Jul-20 15:46
Re: Why are we all sinners? 115 Susan Doris 19-Jul-20 15:52
Re: Why are we all sinners? 129 eyeofhorus33 19-Jul-20 15:57
Why are we NOT sinners, but consciousness? 118 greengirl5 19-Jul-20 23:25
Einstein and the Poet 106 grangram 20-Jul-20 04:18
Re: Einstein and the Poet 110 greengirl5 20-Jul-20 09:55
Re: Why are we NOT sinners, but consciousness? 111 Eddie Larry 21-Jul-20 16:10
Re: Why are we NOT sinners, but consciousness? 110 Itatw70s 21-Jul-20 16:49
Consciousness precedes and supercedes any notion of sin. 92 Itatw70s 07-Sep-20 23:32
Re: Consciousness precedes and supercedes any notion of sin. 95 Susan Doris 08-Sep-20 05:28
Re: Consciousness precedes and supercedes any notion of sin. 83 Itatw70s 10-Sep-20 16:59
Re: Consciousness precedes and supercedes any notion of sin. 70 Itatw70s 13-Sep-20 19:13
The Physical Reality is composed of 99,99999% emptiness 103 grangram 11-Sep-20 00:10
Re: The Physical Reality is composed of 99,99999% emptiness 85 Susan Doris 11-Sep-20 05:05
Re: The Physical Reality is composed of 99,99999% emptiness 92 Itatw70s 13-Sep-20 19:30
Re: Why are we all sinners? 127 Itatw70s 20-Jul-20 20:07
Re: Why are we all sinners? 106 Susan Doris 21-Jul-20 14:30
Re: Why are we all sinners? 100 Itatw70s 21-Jul-20 16:01
Re: Why are we all sinners? 107 Eddie Larry 21-Jul-20 16:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 125 Susan Doris 21-Jul-20 17:11
Re: Why are we all sinners? 114 Eddie Larry 22-Jul-20 14:20
Re: Why are we all sinners? 91 Redblade 03-Sep-20 12:48
Re: Why are we all sinners? 84 Itatw70s 03-Sep-20 16:58
To miss the mark 121 grangram 03-Sep-20 18:32
Re: To miss the mark 92 greengirl5 03-Sep-20 23:53
Early history 96 grangram 04-Sep-20 07:00
Re: Early history 2 83 grangram 04-Sep-20 09:22
Re: Early history 2 79 greengirl5 04-Sep-20 12:44
Re: Early history 86 Susan Doris 04-Sep-20 13:55
Oh Susan 86 grangram 05-Sep-20 09:45
Re: Oh Susan 84 Susan Doris 05-Sep-20 13:16
Re: Early history 86 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-20 22:55
Re: Early history 88 grangram 05-Sep-20 08:47
Re: To miss the mark 95 Glass Jigsaw 04-Sep-20 14:50
About Jesus 86 greengirl5 05-Sep-20 01:28
Re: About Jesus 93 Susan Doris 05-Sep-20 05:12
Re: About Jesus 89 greengirl5 05-Sep-20 09:17
Re: About Jesus 82 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-20 15:55
Re: About Jesus 94 Glass Jigsaw 05-Sep-20 16:41
Re: About Jesus 82 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-20 19:31
Re: About Jesus 81 Susan Doris 05-Sep-20 17:20
The Christian way 77 drrayeye 05-Sep-20 19:49
To mind my own business... 78 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 23:15
To make an observation of choices of thought.... 93 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 23:27
Re: Why are we all sinners? 107 Bewildered 20-Sep-20 23:42
Re: Why are we all sinners? 138 Susan Doris 21-Sep-20 05:39


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