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Re: Why are we all sinners?
Date: July 12, 2020 10:05PM
If one were to look at it as an allegory they might reason that our first ancestors chose to determine how to best govern themselves (the knowledge of right and wrong) rather than continue with the guidance and recommendations of the god figure (the way of life). Therefor the conclusion of the god figure was that the societies we would create would be corrupted by our more primitive natures and all their descendants there-by corrupted as well by the choice they had made to be autonomous of god.
IMO, this conclusion is in keeping with the teachings of the remainder of the documents and what we see in the society’s we humans have created as far back as history records. Perhaps it’s just difficult for us to understand that by the Bible's definition sin needn’t be intentionally malicious just actions that are ultimately destructive.
P.S. The reason for the snake character -as revealed in Revelations- is that ultimately it will be the tempter (devil) who is judged as responsible for all our sins for having knowingly and maliciously lead us astray.
Eli
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The snake told the Truth
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Abstract analyses vs. individual reality
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Your question
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Many variants
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[quote]Why do most people think it is wrong to steal? Probably because they can imagine how annoyed and inconvenienced they would be if they got burgled. [/quote]If survival is at stake, and food supply is scarce, then taking, if they can, the food anothe
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Re: [quote]Why do most people think it is wrong to steal? Probably because they can imagine how annoyed and inconvenienced they would be if they got burgled. [/quote]If survival is at stake, and food supply is scarce, then taking, if they can, the food an
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IF food were scarce then we weigh in as survival of the fittest. We are not so noble if we don't have food, the basic neccessity.
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Re: IF food were scarce then we weigh in as survival of the fittest. We are not so noble if we don't have food, the basic neccessity.
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Re: [quote]Why do most people think it is wrong to steal? Probably because they can imagine how annoyed and inconvenienced they would be if they got burgled. [/quote]If survival is at stake, and food supply is scarce, then taking, if they can, the food an
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Wrong-doing
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What difference does it make?
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G. F. Handel would Disagree
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Modern update
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Modern junk.......
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I know why we are all sinners!
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It's a sin to tell a lie
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Why you are all sinners, but I am not!
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I knew lots about sin
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The Ground of Being
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Susan Doris
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You've got it backwards
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You can answer your own questions
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For something you don't believe exists
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Happy endings
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Fat chance
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Sin
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And now-Hope!!!
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Sin, nastiness, judging
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Mostly a sweetheart
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Why are we NOT sinners, but consciousness?
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greengirl5
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Einstein and the Poet
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Consciousness precedes and supercedes any notion of sin.
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The Physical Reality is composed of 99,99999% emptiness
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To miss the mark
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Early history
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Oh Susan
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About Jesus
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The Christian way
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To mind my own business...
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Itatw70s
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To make an observation of choices of thought....
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