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Hi GG


To say there is no sin, imo, is a mistake that leads to various problems almost immediately. If there is no sin then what is up with rapists, etc etc?

Growing up, I remember a lot of people who rebelled against Christianity strongly opposed this idea. "How dare anyone say that I'm a sinner!"

I have no issue with sin, personally. I accept that I am a sinner. When I understood what I was up against, in the Christian theatre, I understood immediately that I could never be sinless. I understood that to be true of everyone I knew. Why would God condemn all sinners if He made us that way? There was no need to rebel against the sin doctrine for me, because I never bothered to try to pretend that sin doesn't exist.

My way of dealing with this, from day one, is has been to accept that I am a sinner. I probably sin all day long in the eyes of the church. But for the most part I am not troubled by my consciousness because, on the whole, I I try to do what I see has good most times, just like the rest of us. Once in a while I screw up, and I try to be quick to acknowledge that. You will know that I've apologized for my own perceived transgressions several times on this board. That, imo, is the best way to personally deal with the wages of sin: own up to your crap asap.

One of the things I like best about my Roman Catholic upbringing, is how it relies on a ritual sacrament rather than the approval of an arbiter minister or congregation when it comes to how sinful or sinless I may be. The matter of my own guilt totally between me and God. I personally believe that all sin proceeds from a perceived separation of our true essence and relationship to Creation. It's a consequence of finite consciousness.

What I personally think is really going on with Christianity and sin, has something to do with Jesus' perception of sin's metaphysical consequences. I believe he could see something that the rest of us could not, and this prompted Jesus to say what he did about sin. I guess that's the essence of faith.

Keep taking care of those animals, GG ! ! !

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Why are we all sinners? 772 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 09:11
Re: Why are we all sinners? 157 Naveen 05-Jul-20 11:50
Re: Why are we all sinners? 154 Susan Doris 05-Jul-20 13:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 153 Itatw70s 05-Jul-20 20:46
Light, life, love 138 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 22:39
Re: Light, life, love 135 Itatw70s 05-Jul-20 23:16
Sinners? 138 grangram 06-Jul-20 06:07
Re: Why are we all sinners? 127 Itatw70s 17-Jul-20 00:15
The snake told the Truth 136 Eddie Larry 05-Jul-20 13:58
Re: The snake told the Truth 127 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 14:50
Re: Why are we all sinners? 130 drrayeye 05-Jul-20 14:32
Re: Why are we all sinners? 129 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 15:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 135 drrayeye 05-Jul-20 16:09
Re: Why are we all sinners? 144 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 22:32
Re: Why are we all sinners? 134 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 05:40
Re: Why are we all sinners? 121 greengirl5 06-Jul-20 07:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 149 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 09:48
Abstract analyses vs. individual reality 123 drrayeye 06-Jul-20 20:23
Re: Abstract analyses vs. individual reality 126 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 23:06
Your question 126 drrayeye 07-Jul-20 05:09
Re: Your question 132 Susan Doris 07-Jul-20 05:45
Re: Your question 127 Eddie Larry 24-Jul-20 00:29
Re: Your question 119 Susan Doris 24-Jul-20 04:58
Many variants 116 greengirl5 24-Jul-20 08:46
[quote]Why do most people think it is wrong to steal? Probably because they can imagine how annoyed and inconvenienced they would be if they got burgled. [/quote]If survival is at stake, and food supply is scarce, then taking, if they can, the food anothe 129 Susan Doris 24-Jul-20 12:50
Re: [quote]Why do most people think it is wrong to steal? Probably because they can imagine how annoyed and inconvenienced they would be if they got burgled. [/quote]If survival is at stake, and food supply is scarce, then taking, if they can, the food an 120 Itatw70s 25-Jul-20 22:14
IF food were scarce then we weigh in as survival of the fittest. We are not so noble if we don't have food, the basic neccessity. 93 Itatw70s 04-Sep-20 18:49
Re: IF food were scarce then we weigh in as survival of the fittest. We are not so noble if we don't have food, the basic neccessity. 99 Susan Doris 05-Sep-20 04:55
Re: [quote]Why do most people think it is wrong to steal? Probably because they can imagine how annoyed and inconvenienced they would be if they got burgled. [/quote]If survival is at stake, and food supply is scarce, then taking, if they can, the food an 97 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 14:40
Re: Your question 122 Eddie Larry 24-Jul-20 15:40
Re: Your question 130 Itatw70s 25-Jul-20 22:23
Re: Your question 100 Eddie Larry 03-Sep-20 23:07
Re: Your question 114 Itatw70s 25-Jul-20 22:08
Wrong-doing 127 greengirl5 06-Jul-20 21:55
Re: Wrong-doing 130 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-20 22:27
Re: Wrong-doing 134 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 23:25
Re: Wrong-doing 145 greengirl5 07-Jul-20 06:30
Re: Why are we all sinners? 152 Susan Doris 05-Jul-20 17:05
What difference does it make? 141 drrayeye 06-Jul-20 01:14
Re: What difference does it make? 122 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 05:49
Re: Why are we all sinners? 111 Itatw70s 20-Jul-20 17:59
Re: Why are we all sinners? 137 PB Bytes 05-Jul-20 16:36
Re: Why are we all sinners? 124 Eddie Larry 05-Jul-20 18:07
Re: Why are we all sinners? 129 PB Bytes 05-Jul-20 18:17
Re: Why are we all sinners? 133 Eddie Larry 05-Jul-20 18:21
Re: Why are we all sinners? 128 greengirl5 05-Jul-20 23:18
Re: Why are we all sinners? 128 Eddie Larry 05-Jul-20 23:57
Re: Why are we all sinners? 125 greengirl5 06-Jul-20 02:56
Re: Why are we all sinners? 126 Susan Doris 06-Jul-20 07:27
Re: Why are we all sinners? 123 greengirl5 06-Jul-20 22:41
Re: Why are we all sinners? 149 eyeofhorus33 14-Jul-20 06:56
Re: Why are we all sinners? 124 PB Bytes 19-Jul-20 16:18
G. F. Handel would Disagree 124 drrayeye 19-Jul-20 22:02
Re: G. F. Handel would Disagree 126 PB Bytes 19-Jul-20 22:36
Modern update 126 drrayeye 20-Jul-20 03:26
Modern junk....... 99 Itatw70s 04-Sep-20 23:18
Re: Why are we all sinners? 121 Susan Doris 20-Jul-20 04:57
I know why we are all sinners! 125 greengirl5 20-Jul-20 10:04
Re: I know why we are all sinners! 123 Itatw70s 20-Jul-20 18:37
Re: Why are we all sinners? 87 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 18:49
Re: Why are we all sinners? 141 eli stills 12-Jul-20 22:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 153 eyeofhorus33 14-Jul-20 06:52
Re: Why are we all sinners? 127 Susan Doris 14-Jul-20 08:11
Re: Why are we all sinners? 126 grangram 14-Jul-20 09:44
Re: Why are we all sinners? 130 Susan Doris 14-Jul-20 09:50
Re: Why are we all sinners? 123 Eddie Larry 14-Jul-20 14:26
Re: Why are we all sinners? 131 PB Bytes 14-Jul-20 14:29
Re: Why are we all sinners? 135 Susan Doris 14-Jul-20 15:28
Re: Why are we all sinners? 140 PB Bytes 14-Jul-20 16:31
Re: Why are we all sinners? 148 eyeofhorus33 16-Jul-20 10:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 130 Susan Doris 16-Jul-20 10:20
It's a sin to tell a lie 128 drrayeye 16-Jul-20 19:35
Re: It's a sin to tell a lie 127 Itatw70s 17-Jul-20 23:12
Re: Why are we all sinners? 118 PB Bytes 19-Jul-20 17:25
Why you are all sinners, but I am not! 132 greengirl5 15-Jul-20 03:42
I knew lots about sin 121 drrayeye 15-Jul-20 08:45
Re: I knew lots about sin 138 Susan Doris 15-Jul-20 09:02
Re: I knew lots about sin 124 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 13:15
Re: I knew lots about sin 119 grangram 18-Jul-20 14:14
Re: I knew lots about sin 118 Susan Doris 18-Jul-20 15:19
The Ground of Being 119 grangram 18-Jul-20 17:28
Re: I knew lots about sin 119 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 21:08
Re: I knew lots about sin 115 Susan Doris 18-Jul-20 15:14
You've got it backwards 114 drrayeye 18-Jul-20 16:58
Re: You've got it backwards 120 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 21:44
Re: You've got it backwards 120 Susan Doris 19-Jul-20 04:43
Re: You've got it backwards 119 drrayeye 19-Jul-20 06:27
Re: I knew lots about sin 122 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 21:33
You can answer your own questions 121 drrayeye 18-Jul-20 17:10
Re: Why are we all sinners? 148 eyeofhorus33 16-Jul-20 10:02
Re: Why are we all sinners? 132 greengirl5 15-Jul-20 03:24
Re: Why are we all sinners? 145 eyeofhorus33 16-Jul-20 10:12
Re: Why are we all sinners? 145 grangram 18-Jul-20 05:41
Re: Why are we all sinners? 124 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 21:55
Re: Why are we all sinners? 96 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 20:06
Re: Why are we all sinners? 123 Susan Doris 17-Jul-20 09:24
For something you don't believe exists 124 drrayeye 17-Jul-20 10:46
Re: For something you don't believe exists 128 Susan Doris 17-Jul-20 12:37
Re: For something you don't believe exists 122 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 01:18
Re: For something you don't believe exists 126 Susan Doris 18-Jul-20 05:01
Re: For something you don't believe exists 123 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 05:08
Re: For something you don't believe exists 124 Susan Doris 18-Jul-20 07:18
Re: For something you don't believe exists 120 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 14:14
Re: Why are we all graciously Cared For? 133 Itatw70s 17-Jul-20 21:15
Happy endings 122 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 01:24
Re: Happy endings 114 grangram 18-Jul-20 05:23
Fat chance 127 greengirl5 18-Jul-20 01:14
Sin 128 drrayeye 18-Jul-20 17:52
And now-Hope!!! 124 Itatw70s 18-Jul-20 22:07
Sin, nastiness, judging 125 greengirl5 19-Jul-20 00:01
Mostly a sweetheart 122 drrayeye 19-Jul-20 02:51
Re: Mostly a sweetheart 123 greengirl5 19-Jul-20 04:15
Re: Mostly a sweetheart 118 drrayeye 19-Jul-20 05:39
Re: Mostly a sweetheart 105 Itatw70s 04-Sep-20 23:32
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 119 Itatw70s 23-Jul-20 01:04
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 122 greengirl5 23-Jul-20 03:11
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 124 Itatw70s 23-Jul-20 23:22
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 117 grangram 29-Jul-20 13:26
Re: Sin, nastiness, judging 148 Itatw70s 29-Jul-20 16:04
Re: Why are we all sinners? 138 eyeofhorus33 19-Jul-20 15:46
Re: Why are we all sinners? 128 Susan Doris 19-Jul-20 15:52
Re: Why are we all sinners? 144 eyeofhorus33 19-Jul-20 15:57
Why are we NOT sinners, but consciousness? 131 greengirl5 19-Jul-20 23:25
Einstein and the Poet 119 grangram 20-Jul-20 04:18
Re: Einstein and the Poet 123 greengirl5 20-Jul-20 09:55
Re: Why are we NOT sinners, but consciousness? 124 Eddie Larry 21-Jul-20 16:10
Re: Why are we NOT sinners, but consciousness? 125 Itatw70s 21-Jul-20 16:49
Consciousness precedes and supercedes any notion of sin. 105 Itatw70s 07-Sep-20 23:32
Re: Consciousness precedes and supercedes any notion of sin. 111 Susan Doris 08-Sep-20 05:28
Re: Consciousness precedes and supercedes any notion of sin. 96 Itatw70s 10-Sep-20 16:59
Re: Consciousness precedes and supercedes any notion of sin. 82 Itatw70s 13-Sep-20 19:13
The Physical Reality is composed of 99,99999% emptiness 117 grangram 11-Sep-20 00:10
Re: The Physical Reality is composed of 99,99999% emptiness 100 Susan Doris 11-Sep-20 05:05
Re: The Physical Reality is composed of 99,99999% emptiness 104 Itatw70s 13-Sep-20 19:30
Re: Why are we all sinners? 139 Itatw70s 20-Jul-20 20:07
Re: Why are we all sinners? 120 Susan Doris 21-Jul-20 14:30
Re: Why are we all sinners? 112 Itatw70s 21-Jul-20 16:01
Re: Why are we all sinners? 120 Eddie Larry 21-Jul-20 16:05
Re: Why are we all sinners? 140 Susan Doris 21-Jul-20 17:11
Re: Why are we all sinners? 127 Eddie Larry 22-Jul-20 14:20
Re: Why are we all sinners? 103 Redblade 03-Sep-20 12:48
Re: Why are we all sinners? 97 Itatw70s 03-Sep-20 16:58
To miss the mark 135 grangram 03-Sep-20 18:32
Re: To miss the mark 105 greengirl5 03-Sep-20 23:53
Early history 110 grangram 04-Sep-20 07:00
Re: Early history 2 96 grangram 04-Sep-20 09:22
Re: Early history 2 91 greengirl5 04-Sep-20 12:44
Re: Early history 101 Susan Doris 04-Sep-20 13:55
Oh Susan 102 grangram 05-Sep-20 09:45
Re: Oh Susan 98 Susan Doris 05-Sep-20 13:16
Re: Early history 100 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-20 22:55
Re: Early history 101 grangram 05-Sep-20 08:47
Re: To miss the mark 108 Glass Jigsaw 04-Sep-20 14:50
About Jesus 101 greengirl5 05-Sep-20 01:28
Re: About Jesus 106 Susan Doris 05-Sep-20 05:12
Re: About Jesus 104 greengirl5 05-Sep-20 09:17
Re: About Jesus 95 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-20 15:55
Re: About Jesus 109 Glass Jigsaw 05-Sep-20 16:41
Re: About Jesus 94 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-20 19:31
Re: About Jesus 96 Susan Doris 05-Sep-20 17:20
The Christian way 91 drrayeye 05-Sep-20 19:49
To mind my own business... 89 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 23:15
To make an observation of choices of thought.... 105 Itatw70s 05-Sep-20 23:27
Re: Why are we all sinners? 123 Bewildered 20-Sep-20 23:42
Re: Why are we all sinners? 159 Susan Doris 21-Sep-20 05:39


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