There we go again. People who know something which is beyond your reach, are deluded or out to scam others! The real reason you need all these pseudo scientific proofs is because you are calcified. Totally shut yourself off from anything bigger than yourself. Your brain is the pinnacle in your opinion. A supernova. Hehe.
Susan Doris Wrote:
> A most interesting post - thank you. The idea thatQuote
> Being a true stalwart of empiricism, it is clear
> that no-one is going to impress you with anything,
> any idea, thought, or concept, unless it is
> supported by objective evidence, something that
> can be weighed, measured, wrapped-up in a material
> package and delivered to your door.
> I am or am not impressed by what people say
> doesn't really apply at my age! I know that
> discussion, where differing points of view are put
> forward and discussed, challenged, explained, and
> which broaden one’s knowledge and one’s
> understanding of people and life, and when
> such discussions end with a looking forward to the
> next one, is one of the chief interests of my
> life. I am fortunate that modern technology
> enables me to continue this interest.
> I have learnt from my lifelong reading of books
> about beliefs, mystical ideas,and of course about
> science and the ever-increasing knowledge of the
> natural world plus always having the
> question, ‘Is this TRUE?’ in my mind during my
> reading and learning, that for me it is essential
> to understand the difference between fact and
> fiction, also to be aware that there is an
> ‘unknowns’ area if one is to be clear about
> Not exactly resilience, no. I love reading aboutQuote
I very much admire your resilience to
> alternative perspectives, given that there is so
> much psychobabble out there.
> it all, but I do not soak it up like a sponge, I
> question or challenge the concepts and the reasons
> for having acquired those concepts and have long
> since learned that many people will resist ideas
> that upset their own. I read them all with great
> interest but with the accumulated knowledge that,
> although I guarantee I will accept an alternative
> idea if it is backed up by credible objectivity,
> such a change is unlikely to happen.
> Welll, you’re probably right there, but I shallQuote
I don’t expect for one moment that the
> following will sway you in any way, but there
> could be others out there with whom this might
> read with interest anyway! For me, it is clear
> that the clearer the understanding of the
> differences between fact and fiction subjectivity
> and objectivity etc, the greater the amazement,
> wonder and excitement, about e.g. the evolved
> brain , becomes
> Note immediately the implication, with the use ofQuote
I refer to a passage referring to
> ‘metaphysical’ phenomena from a book by the
> Russian writer and philosopher, P.D Ouspensky,
> one-time-student of the Greek-Armenian teacher G.
> I Gurdjieff, who founded the ‘Institute for the
> Harmonious Development Man’ in Fontainebleau,
> ‘It is a complete absurdity to think that it is
> possible to study phenomena of a higher order like
> ‘telepathy’, ‘clairvoyance’, forseeing the
> future, mediumistic phenomena and so on, in the
> same way as electrical, chemical, or
> meteorological phenomena are studied.
> phrases such as ‘higher order’ which, not very
> subtly!, imply that those who who expound these
> ideas consider themselves endowed with some
> superior quality, obtainable only to those in the
> Okay, so why can’t they articulate andexplain itQuote
There is something in phenomena of a higher
> order which requires a particular emotional state
> for their observation and study.
> clearly so that it becomes available to all? Well,
> because that would call their bluff and their
> Exactly! QED!Quote
And this excludes any possibility of
> ‘properly conducted’ laboratory experiments
> and observations’.
> Every single neural connection made sinceQuote
Referring once again to ‘ideas’
> ‘thoughts’, ‘concepts’, which have no
> material existence (in your view), I personally
> view them as being as ‘material’ as the genes
> that make up your physical presence, but of a
> higher, finer order.
> conception adds to the information stored in an
> individual’s brain, a physical, material organ
> whether they are needed or not.
> Yeeeees, but only if the ideas are actuallyQuote
‘Bright’ ideas, profound concepts, are
> like metaphysical ‘genes’, dominant and
> successful enough to ‘self replicate’ in the
> minds of millions, billions of human brains across
> conveyed via words/ from one person
> to another. Assertions about telepathy etc remain
> entirely subjective and I wouldn’t even put them
> in the ‘unknowns’ category.
Wishing you well...