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Very good! That was what I was implying with my short post about evidence not being good enough....

GG.



Mayavitch Wrote:
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> Dear Susan.
> Being a true stalwart of empiricism, it is clear
> that no-one is going to impress you with anything,
> any idea, thought, or concept, unless it is
> supported by objective evidence, something that
> can be weighed, measured, wrapped-up in a material
> package and delivered to your door. I very much
> admire your resilience to alternative
> perspectives, given that there is so much
> psychobabble out there.
> I don’t expect for one moment that the following
> will sway you in any way, but there could be
> others out there with whom this might resonate.
>
> I refer to a passage referring to
> ‘metaphysical’ phenomena from a book by the
> Russian writer and philosopher, P.D Ouspensky,
> one-time-student of the Greek-Armenian teacher G.
> I Gurdjieff, who founded the ‘Institute for the
> Harmonious Development Man’ in Fontainebleau,
> France:
>
> ‘It is a complete absurdity to think that it is
> possible to study phenomena of a higher order like
> ‘telepathy’, ‘clairvoyance’, forseeing the
> future, mediumistic phenomena and so on, in the
> same way as electrical, chemical, or
> meteorological phenomena are studied. There is
> something in phenomena of a higher order which
> requires a particular emotional state for their
> observation and study. And this excludes any
> possibility of ‘properly conducted’ laboratory
> experiments and observations’.
>
> Referring once again to ‘ideas’
> ‘thoughts’, ‘concepts’, which have no
> material existence (in your view), I personally
> view them as being as ‘material’ as the genes
> that make up your physical presence, but of a
> higher, finer order. ‘Bright’ ideas, profound
> concepts, are like metaphysical ‘genes’,
> dominant and successful enough to ‘self
> replicate’ in the minds of millions, billions of
> human brains across centuries,
>
> Wishing you well...

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What is the point of Evolution? 1755 thirdpal 05-Nov-19 18:53
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 283 thirdpal 06-Nov-19 17:39
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 259 thirdpal 13-Nov-19 17:52
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 277 Susan Doris 14-Nov-19 06:11
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 239 thirdpal 14-Nov-19 19:22
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 226 Susan Doris 15-Nov-19 06:08
An accident 220 greengirl5 20-Nov-19 00:01
Re: An accident 217 Susan Doris 20-Nov-19 06:06
No accident 230 greengirl5 20-Nov-19 09:28
Re: No accident 217 tayga 23-Nov-19 08:13
Re: No accident 223 Susan Doris 23-Nov-19 08:33
Re: No accident 208 greengirl5 23-Nov-19 11:13
Re: No accident 198 Susan Doris 24-Nov-19 06:22
Re: No accident 206 greengirl5 24-Nov-19 09:17
Re: No accident 199 Eddie Larry 24-Nov-19 14:06
Re: No accident 194 Susan Doris 24-Nov-19 16:36
Re: No accident 204 Eddie Larry 24-Nov-19 16:52
Re: No accident 192 greengirl5 24-Nov-19 20:26
Re: No accident 192 Eddie Larry 24-Nov-19 23:38
Re: No accident 196 greengirl5 25-Nov-19 00:50
Re: No accident 204 Eddie Larry 25-Nov-19 01:01
Re: No accident 219 Susan Doris 25-Nov-19 07:07
Re: No accident 199 greengirl5 23-Nov-19 11:09
Re: An accident 198 Itatw70s 26-Nov-19 23:44
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 225 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-19 08:08
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 229 thirdpal 14-Nov-19 19:29
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 214 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-19 22:11
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 226 Susan Doris 15-Nov-19 06:36
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 237 thirdpal 15-Nov-19 16:41
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 219 Susan Doris 16-Nov-19 06:08
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 217 thirdpal 18-Nov-19 18:19
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 214 Eddie Larry 18-Nov-19 21:03
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 217 Susan Doris 19-Nov-19 08:27
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 214 thirdpal 19-Nov-19 18:30
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 204 Susan Doris 19-Nov-19 23:31
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 207 thirdpal 20-Nov-19 14:19
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 199 Susan Doris 21-Nov-19 06:24
Einstein again 200 greengirl5 21-Nov-19 12:59
Re: Einstein again 188 Eddie Larry 21-Nov-19 17:27
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 223 thirdpal 21-Nov-19 19:40
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 215 Susan Doris 22-Nov-19 08:21
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 196 tayga 23-Nov-19 13:54
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 199 Eddie Larry 23-Nov-19 14:31
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 222 greengirl5 20-Nov-19 09:34
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 244 thirdpal 20-Nov-19 14:27
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 199 Itatw70s 27-Nov-19 00:19
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 184 Eddie Larry 21-Dec-19 21:08
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 207 gulsbo 23-Dec-19 19:26
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 166 Eddie Larry 23-Dec-19 19:45
Mod Note > Topic Moved 218 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 16:07
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 218 gulsbo 26-Nov-19 14:26
Stupid is the word! 207 greengirl5 26-Nov-19 21:28
Re: Stupid is the word! 213 gulsbo 27-Nov-19 16:12
Re: Stupid is the word! 229 Susan Doris 27-Nov-19 17:06
Re: Stupid is the word! 218 gulsbo 27-Nov-19 17:30
Re: Stupid is the word! 211 Eddie Larry 27-Nov-19 18:47
Your problem 219 drrayeye 27-Nov-19 19:20
Re: Your problem 215 Susan Doris 28-Nov-19 06:30
Lets stick to the OP 202 drrayeye 28-Nov-19 10:07
Re: Lets stick to the OP 206 Susan Doris 28-Nov-19 13:48
Re: Your problem 209 gulsbo 28-Nov-19 13:53
Re: Your problem 218 Eddie Larry 28-Nov-19 17:22
Re: Your problem 215 gulsbo 28-Nov-19 19:50
Re: Your problem 211 Eddie Larry 29-Nov-19 00:34
Re: Your problem 218 gulsbo 29-Nov-19 15:49
Re: Your problem 201 Eddie Larry 29-Nov-19 17:30
Re: Your problem 192 gulsbo 30-Nov-19 13:49
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 198 Eddie Larry 30-Nov-19 15:40
Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 184 drrayeye 30-Nov-19 20:58
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 200 Eddie Larry 01-Dec-19 00:17
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 189 drrayeye 01-Dec-19 04:19
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 198 Eddie Larry 01-Dec-19 04:35
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 190 Susan Doris 01-Dec-19 06:03
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 192 Eddie Larry 01-Dec-19 14:41
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 199 gulsbo 02-Dec-19 16:30
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 189 drrayeye 03-Dec-19 03:54
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 197 gulsbo 03-Dec-19 21:36
Your "philosophical" evolution 188 drrayeye 04-Dec-19 14:19
Re: Your "philosophical" evolution 196 gulsbo 04-Dec-19 15:14
Re: Your "philosophical" evolution 187 Glass Jigsaw 04-Dec-19 15:19
Re: Your "philosophical" evolution 193 drrayeye 05-Dec-19 08:02
Re: Your "philosophical" evolution 191 Susan Doris 05-Dec-19 13:10
Re: Your "philosophical" evolution 192 drrayeye 05-Dec-19 19:10
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 188 Glass Jigsaw 03-Dec-19 11:50
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 197 gulsbo 03-Dec-19 21:43
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 191 Susan Doris 04-Dec-19 06:39
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 194 gulsbo 04-Dec-19 06:59
Your "philosophical" evolution 193 drrayeye 04-Dec-19 14:33
Re: Your "philosophical" evolution 212 gulsbo 04-Dec-19 15:33
It's still philosophy 188 drrayeye 05-Dec-19 00:06
Re: It's still philosophy 205 gulsbo 05-Dec-19 15:10
Re: It's still philosophy 180 Susan Doris 05-Dec-19 15:33
Re: It's still philosophy 210 gulsbo 05-Dec-19 16:36
Re: It's still philosophy 188 Susan Doris 06-Dec-19 01:21
Re: It's still philosophy 213 gulsbo 06-Dec-19 08:02
Re: It's still philosophy 194 Susan Doris 06-Dec-19 14:21
Re: It's still philosophy 216 gulsbo 07-Dec-19 11:41
Re: It's still philosophy 183 Susan Doris 07-Dec-19 13:21
Re: It's still philosophy 217 gulsbo 07-Dec-19 22:26
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 191 Susan Doris 01-Dec-19 06:00
Scientists don't refute 204 drrayeye 01-Dec-19 06:33
Re: Scientists don't refute 196 Glass Jigsaw 01-Dec-19 19:01
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 206 Eddie Larry 01-Dec-19 21:27
NOPE 189 drrayeye 02-Dec-19 00:11
Re: NOPE 201 Eddie Larry 02-Dec-19 01:18
Re: NOPE 196 drrayeye 02-Dec-19 06:28
Re: NOPE 187 Eddie Larry 02-Dec-19 14:53
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 174 Susan Doris 02-Dec-19 06:04
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 168 Eddie Larry 02-Dec-19 14:50
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 168 Susan Doris 02-Dec-19 18:05
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 164 Eddie Larry 02-Dec-19 18:10
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 177 Glass Jigsaw 02-Dec-19 12:52
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 171 drrayeye 02-Dec-19 14:29
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 164 Glass Jigsaw 02-Dec-19 14:49
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 166 Eddie Larry 02-Dec-19 15:13
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 178 gulsbo 02-Dec-19 16:39
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 167 Eddie Larry 02-Dec-19 17:39
Re: Scientists don't refute - They evolve 199 gulsbo 05-Dec-19 18:31
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 181 Susan Doris 01-Dec-19 13:32
100% faith 170 greengirl5 01-Dec-19 21:17
Re: 100% faith 173 Susan Doris 02-Dec-19 06:27
Re: 99 % faith and something new to do 185 greengirl5 02-Dec-19 20:44
Re: 99 % faith and something new to do 168 Susan Doris 03-Dec-19 06:04
Re: 100% faith 171 Susan Doris 03-Dec-19 16:08
Short email sent 168 greengirl5 03-Dec-19 21:19
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 173 drrayeye 02-Dec-19 00:29
Re: Scientific vs. "philosophical" evolution 172 Susan Doris 02-Dec-19 06:37
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 172 Susan Doris 01-Dec-19 05:44
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 178 gulsbo 03-Dec-19 11:39
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 178 Glass Jigsaw 03-Dec-19 12:35
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 171 Eddie Larry 03-Dec-19 18:40
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 183 gulsbo 03-Dec-19 21:54
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 177 Eddie Larry 04-Dec-19 15:37
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 196 gulsbo 05-Dec-19 15:17
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 173 Susan Doris 05-Dec-19 15:37
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 193 gulsbo 05-Dec-19 16:39
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 173 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-19 16:58
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 207 gulsbo 05-Dec-19 20:23
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 172 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-19 23:14
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 169 Glass Jigsaw 06-Dec-19 00:31
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 161 Susan Doris 06-Dec-19 01:30
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 181 Eddie Larry 06-Dec-19 05:03
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 171 Susan Doris 06-Dec-19 06:00
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 167 Eddie Larry 06-Dec-19 17:17
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 153 Susan Doris 06-Dec-19 18:24
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 163 Eddie Larry 06-Dec-19 19:00
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 170 Susan Doris 07-Dec-19 06:08
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 153 Eddie Larry 10-Dec-19 19:20
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 170 Glass Jigsaw 06-Dec-19 12:09
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 164 Susan Doris 06-Dec-19 14:37
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 194 gulsbo 07-Dec-19 11:50
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 162 Eddie Larry 07-Dec-19 23:58
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 170 Glass Jigsaw 06-Dec-19 17:59
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 172 Eddie Larry 06-Dec-19 19:03
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 179 Glass Jigsaw 06-Dec-19 19:28
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 175 Eddie Larry 06-Dec-19 20:47
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 194 gulsbo 07-Dec-19 11:53
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 162 Glass Jigsaw 07-Dec-19 13:01
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 199 gulsbo 07-Dec-19 22:35
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 174 Glass Jigsaw 08-Dec-19 13:23
Re: Your problem - “The intermediates!” 189 gulsbo 23-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Your problem 186 greengirl5 29-Nov-19 20:51
Re: Your problem 179 Glass Jigsaw 29-Nov-19 19:26
Re: Your problem 178 Susan Doris 30-Nov-19 06:14
Re: Your problem 183 gulsbo 30-Nov-19 14:11
Re: Your problem 167 Glass Jigsaw 30-Nov-19 15:19
Re: Your problem 164 Susan Doris 01-Dec-19 06:08
Re: Your problem 174 Eddie Larry 30-Nov-19 15:25
Re: Your problem 171 Glass Jigsaw 30-Nov-19 15:45
Re: Your problem 177 Eddie Larry 30-Nov-19 15:57
Re: Your problem 174 Glass Jigsaw 30-Nov-19 16:04
Re: Your problem 189 gulsbo 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: Your problem 180 Eddie Larry 30-Nov-19 20:26
Re: Your problem 181 gulsbo 01-Dec-19 14:57
Re: Your problem 175 Eddie Larry 01-Dec-19 16:36
Re: Your problem 175 gulsbo 02-Dec-19 11:38
Re: Your problem 182 Eddie Larry 02-Dec-19 14:59
Re: Your problem 178 Glass Jigsaw 02-Dec-19 15:11
Re: Your problem 169 Eddie Larry 02-Dec-19 17:45
Re: Your problem 185 gulsbo 03-Dec-19 10:54
Re: Your problem 175 Eddie Larry 03-Dec-19 15:11
Re: Your problem 184 gulsbo 03-Dec-19 21:59
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 199 Enigcom 01-Dec-19 04:02
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 189 Susan Doris 01-Dec-19 06:17
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 172 Enigcom 04-Dec-19 14:49
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 175 Susan Doris 04-Dec-19 15:36
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 201 gulsbo 01-Dec-19 15:07
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 192 Susan Doris 01-Dec-19 16:36
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 187 gulsbo 03-Dec-19 11:09
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 190 Enigcom 04-Dec-19 14:54
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 203 Enigcom 03-Dec-19 18:58
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 220 gulsbo 05-Dec-19 16:41
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 192 Susan Doris 06-Dec-19 01:32
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 212 gulsbo 07-Dec-19 11:56
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 177 Susan Doris 07-Dec-19 13:54
Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 186 Mayavitch 07-Dec-19 20:50
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 229 gulsbo 07-Dec-19 22:44
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 179 Mayavitch 07-Dec-19 23:27
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 186 Susan Doris 08-Dec-19 05:55
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 189 Mayavitch 08-Dec-19 17:53
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 170 Susan Doris 09-Dec-19 07:13
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 164 Eddie Larry 09-Dec-19 13:33
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 166 Susan Doris 09-Dec-19 14:01
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 162 Eddie Larry 09-Dec-19 15:34
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 161 Susan Doris 09-Dec-19 18:41
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 159 Eddie Larry 09-Dec-19 20:57
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 166 Susan Doris 10-Dec-19 01:38
Perhaps “bossy” would be better! 168 Eddie Larry 10-Dec-19 19:34
Re: Perhaps “bossy” would be better! 163 Susan Doris 11-Dec-19 06:34
Evidence never good enough for some 159 greengirl5 11-Dec-19 11:24
Re: Evidence never good enough for some 156 Susan Doris 11-Dec-19 16:13
Re: Perhaps “bossy” would be better! 163 drrayeye 11-Dec-19 11:36
Re: Perhaps “bossy” would be better! 150 Susan Doris 11-Dec-19 16:21
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 167 Mayavitch 09-Dec-19 18:55
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 168 Susan Doris 09-Dec-19 19:15
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 172 Mayavitch 09-Dec-19 19:34
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 176 Susan Doris 09-Dec-19 19:51
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 180 Mayavitch 09-Dec-19 21:13
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 173 Eddie Larry 09-Dec-19 22:45
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 167 Mayavitch 10-Dec-19 22:07
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 164 Eddie Larry 10-Dec-19 23:28
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 185 Susan Doris 10-Dec-19 01:49
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 178 Mayavitch 10-Dec-19 19:21
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 170 Susan Doris 11-Dec-19 01:39
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 168 greengirl5 11-Dec-19 11:48
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 170 Susan Doris 11-Dec-19 16:35
A tip for you 153 greengirl5 11-Dec-19 21:24
Re: A tip for you 165 Susan Doris 11-Dec-19 22:30
Re: A tip for you 166 greengirl5 12-Dec-19 02:45
Re: A tip for you 172 drrayeye 12-Dec-19 14:27
Re: A tip for you 166 Susan Doris 12-Dec-19 15:15
My way 155 drrayeye 12-Dec-19 17:47
Re: My way 168 Susan Doris 12-Dec-19 18:18
All roads lead to beliefs 170 Eddie Larry 12-Dec-19 18:51
Re: All roads lead to beliefs 162 greengirl5 12-Dec-19 22:00
Seek and you will find 162 greengirl5 12-Dec-19 21:58
Re: My way 169 drrayeye 12-Dec-19 23:05
Re: My way 163 Susan Doris 13-Dec-19 06:19
Re: My way 159 Glass Jigsaw 13-Dec-19 11:57
Re: Evolution is inexorably on the ascendent 161 greengirl5 11-Dec-19 11:38
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 184 D-Archer 10-Dec-19 14:51
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 187 Susan Doris 10-Dec-19 15:18
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 170 D-Archer 12-Dec-19 15:46
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 174 greengirl5 12-Dec-19 22:03
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 221 D-Archer 13-Dec-19 13:26
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 179 drrayeye 10-Dec-19 18:01
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 199 gulsbo 21-Dec-19 21:04
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 163 Kaaron 23-Dec-19 22:09
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 149 Susan Doris 24-Dec-19 07:12
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 178 Kaaron 24-Dec-19 09:54
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 159 Susan Doris 24-Dec-19 18:15
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 165 Eddie Larry 24-Dec-19 18:44
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 192 gulsbo 29-Dec-19 19:36
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 159 Kaaron 29-Dec-19 19:45
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 284 Eddie Larry 29-Dec-19 21:11
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 186 Kaaron 25-Dec-19 07:07
Re: What is the point of Evolution? 206 gulsbo 29-Dec-19 19:30


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