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Susan. We all know you love the paranormal talks. Then you put your debunking slippers on and have a nice cup of tea and start debunking - a real hobby of yours.


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Susan Doris Wrote:
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Also, there are many people who use
> supernatural powers,
> Who? How? Post a link to a double-blind, or any
> kind of, test which, following the scientific
> method, the only reliable method available to us
> now, demonstrates this. You cannot.
>
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or have access to more than 10% of there
> brains.
> That myth was debunked and shown to be false some
> years ago.
>
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Some come fear, as in stories about people
> in a traumatic accident and come into some kind of
> superhuman power.
> When people suffer physical brain damage, it can
> change the normal functions of their brain. Not
> one of such people has ever acquired any
> supernatural power, since such an idea is purely
> of the imnagination.
>
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Some people are trained, though this kind
> of knowledge is guarded.
> some people, who falsely believe they have some
> supernatural power, teach, or inculcate, or
> indoctrinate others with their ideas, but never
> submit themnselves to any proper testing.
>
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Even the pharaoh's magicians could perform
> many of things that Moses did.
> There were, of course, trained magicians in those
> days as there are today. They learn
> how to perform tricks and practise until they can
> fool most of the people most of the time. Today we
> consider it to be excellent entertainment, but do
> not go around believing that the entertainer
> concerned is using supernatural powers because
> they do not claim such powers. Those that try to
> fool others into thinking they do have
> supernatural powers are frauds, whether they
> understand that or not and in however well-meaning
> a way they fool people.
>
>
> It would be a good idea in my opinion to ask the
> mods to move your post to Paranormal, as there is
> not a word of reality in it.
>
> You have every ight to believe whatever you
> choose, but such stuff belongs in the paranormal
> board here and we can definitely do without two
> paranormal boards.
>
> Susan

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 2511 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 320 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 302 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 290 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 297 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 305 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 305 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 298 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 296 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 306 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 281 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 279 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 278 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 280 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 277 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 280 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 279 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 270 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 274 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 278 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 285 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 282 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 270 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 267 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 280 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 278 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 286 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 270 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 268 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 275 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 274 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 291 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 279 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 281 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 277 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 276 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 272 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 271 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 277 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 267 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 284 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 265 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 271 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 250 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 262 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 271 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 270 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 257 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 285 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 279 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 271 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 267 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 278 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 277 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 267 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 272 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 279 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 291 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 276 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 266 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 283 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 272 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 267 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 277 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 264 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 287 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 275 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 259 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 268 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 265 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 265 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 270 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 277 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 270 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 287 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 266 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 279 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 258 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 256 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 261 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 266 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 262 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 255 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 264 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 232 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 266 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 260 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
A basic human right.... 197 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 23:59
Re: Christianity 259 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 257 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 251 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 257 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 252 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 249 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 279 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 249 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 256 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 256 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 248 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 255 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 202 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:21
Re: Pangenesis 254 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 265 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 253 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 247 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 246 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 234 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 256 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 271 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 277 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 265 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: I already explained it, 200 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:30
No straddling 204 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 06:04
Re: No straddling 197 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:10
Re: Pangenesis 264 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 251 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 253 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 253 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 251 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 238 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 258 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 261 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 252 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 197 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:44
Re: Why pretend? 253 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 262 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 252 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 258 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 248 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 275 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 256 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 288 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 255 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 243 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 228 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 254 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 256 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 259 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 247 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 260 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 247 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 243 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 263 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 239 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 251 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 273 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 247 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 276 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 245 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 267 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 240 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 249 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 252 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 246 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 237 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 238 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 246 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 250 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 250 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 254 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 239 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 251 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 244 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 255 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 244 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 243 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 249 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 253 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 235 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 267 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 245 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 246 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 252 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 255 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 252 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 250 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 253 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 263 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 263 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 256 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 267 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 243 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 253 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Dreams----crucial or not? 195 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:12
Re: No chance! 253 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Re: No chance! 197 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:03
Well done 250 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 244 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 237 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 242 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 242 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 242 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 244 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 256 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 242 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 240 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 236 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 240 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 242 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 249 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 252 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 251 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 253 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 245 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 251 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 241 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 238 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 247 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 247 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 249 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 255 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 261 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 255 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 250 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 267 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 268 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 248 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 271 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 238 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 237 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 252 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 240 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 247 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 256 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 236 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 257 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 282 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 277 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 263 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 252 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 282 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 252 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 254 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 257 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 255 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 257 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 243 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 247 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 256 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 245 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 253 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 257 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 254 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 253 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 271 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 242 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 262 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 247 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 248 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 250 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 252 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 228 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 275 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 228 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 298 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 252 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 261 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 250 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 243 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 251 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 253 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 245 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 255 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 254 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 269 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 261 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 245 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 245 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 249 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 261 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 263 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 257 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 258 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 261 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 244 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 277 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 282 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 272 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 237 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 275 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 274 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 234 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 193 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:40
Re: Great start 301 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 259 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 274 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 259 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 21:00
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 247 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 262 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 284 Susan Doris 04-Mar-20 06:42
Salvation - another myth 270 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 221 SandyJesse 01-Nov-19 22:27
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 257 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 254 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 246 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 234 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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