I don't quite agree with you about Jesus - but I like him very much! Are you not a son of God too with potentials for great deeds, like Jesus said?
I can't remember when it was that I ditched the idea of the inherited sin. You and Ray like to see yourselves as sinners, and if that makes you happy, stick with it.
I believe that the hell anybody might find themselves in after death would be self-created, like remorse for terrible things done, and rightly so. Bad, bad conscience! But not forever, as it only takes a cry for help, and help will come and re-educate even the worst, so they too can see and get to like the light and love.
That is what I have come to believe. Jesus will probably play a big part in rescuing souls.
That I also think it very possible that we could be sent back to earth to reincarnate does not have to bother you too much, as I am not fanatical about this belief, only think it could very well be, from stories and account from others.
All the best, GG.
> I will say this, it takes faith to believe either
> side... Creationism believes in purpose and
> evolutionists believe in chance. I'm only trying
> to unite both sides by suggesting that both are
> possible. Maybe I'm entirely wrong... But I do
> think that it takes more faith to believe that we
> happened by chance, especially considering that
> out of everything that could have have happened,
> for us to be in exactly the right position under
> exactly the right conditions, and for all of this
> to happen and for us to be having this discussion,
> I just simply don't believe that it is chance,
> coincidence or anything else that anyone throws at
> me. I simply believe that it was in some way, in
> some how, design.
> As far as the son, Jesus, I believe that he is the
> one who recreated this planet and we are his
> creation. And possibly the creation that was here
> in the the old world was a creation also. It just
> so happens to be that it wasn't part of the
> creators creation. And therein lies the problem.
> If we are to believe that God is all knowing and
> omnipotent, how do we understand this
> conception... Perhaps, by trying to think about
> our procreation of our children.
> How do we condemn our children even though we know
> that they are wrong? Would we not still love them,
> inspite of the fact? I can tell you from
> experience that my children have all taken
> different paths. I found out the hard way that all
> that I could do was tell them, what I believed to
> be the truth and let them figure it out on their
> own. I can only hope and have faith that they will
> see the truth and hope and pray that they will not
> have to learn all of their lessons the hard way,
> like I did.
> Unfortunately, like I have seen in previous
> discussions about traits being passed down, the
> Bible says that the sins of the father are passed
> down to the third and fourth generation. Does that
> mean that our sins affect the genes that we pass
> along? Well, I'm not intelligent enough to explain
> it. All I know is that I have struggled with the
> same things that my father and grandfather have
> struggled with. Now I see my children struggling
> with the same things. Some might say that this is
> coincidence but I see entirely too many
> coincidences from the Bible that end up being too
> true to ignore. And what of the children who are
> given up for adoption and end up with the same
> traits as their real parents? Please, I mean no
> offense for anyone reading this that has been
> Maybe we should talk about how Jesus is the son of
> God and the spirit is the same as God but all are
> seemingly different? If it's not for this type of
> discussion, then we can skip over it. I don't want
> to make a science discussion purely about
> religion, even though, it seems as if I keep
> quiet, it comes up anyway.