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I gave up arguing with you years ago.
Well, if you have a spare half-hour or something, why not have a go at saying why!! Actually, I've never thought of discussion here as argument, but always as discussion. Views firmly expressed, but that's what makes a discussion interesting. Arguing is trying to win. I've never been interested in winning or losing, it's the discussion that counts every time.
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I watched the video and the scientist is
James M Tour, Rice University USA
thank you. I have googled him and wikipedia, amongst the list of headings, has 'dissent from darwin' which I linked on. A paragraph or two is enough to show that he has been linked with attempts to discredit the TofE in favour of Intelligent Design. Need I say more? I will, however read more about him later. But his aggressive rant on that video places him outside the solid foundation and support for the tofE.
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His website introduces his massive long list of achievements etc apparently voted in the top 50 most influential scientists in the world.
As is always the case, it does not matter how many achievements one has had, that does not make a woo digression, speech or fringe book right or valid.
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His is pretty clear that random chance is not enough. It needs mindboggling compounding hugely improbable coincidences and a plan.
He can be as clear as he wants to be, but it won't stand up to the scrutiny required.Unless hisopinion is backed up by experimentation etc it remains an opinion only with 'unknown' as the inevitable label given to the speculations involved.
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What you have called "unknown" is what a lot of others call "God".
well, I do actually know that!!
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What you reject, is the human mythology and pretence about knowing the "unknown", which is called "religion".
That sentence doesn't make enough clear sense for me to respond to.
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PS Gee he (scientist) is a raving ranter who is difficult to listen too though!
Why did you inflict that on me then?!
:D
We end this exchange here then on a point of agreement.

Susan



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 27-Aug-19 17:59 by Susan Doris.

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 2408 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 285 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 268 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 258 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 259 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 272 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 271 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 258 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 262 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 258 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 243 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 243 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 243 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 250 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 244 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 247 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 248 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 238 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 237 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 242 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 248 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 252 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 248 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 236 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 237 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 232 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 245 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 245 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 254 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 238 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 237 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 245 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 239 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 255 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 248 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 248 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 244 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 239 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 237 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 241 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 245 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 236 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 250 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 232 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 237 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 219 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 227 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 238 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 231 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 224 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 250 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 245 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 239 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 236 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 246 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 243 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 235 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 240 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 245 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 249 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 241 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 234 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 250 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 239 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 234 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 238 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 233 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 248 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 243 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 227 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 235 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 234 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 234 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 240 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 245 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 233 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 250 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 234 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 244 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 226 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 226 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 230 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 234 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 232 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 225 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 235 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 204 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 237 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 231 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
A basic human right.... 171 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 23:59
Re: Christianity 229 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 228 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 225 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 228 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 227 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 220 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 249 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 222 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 228 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 227 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 221 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 229 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 175 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:21
Re: Pangenesis 229 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 238 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 221 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 221 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 221 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 207 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 226 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 243 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 235 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 238 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: I already explained it, 175 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:30
No straddling 179 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 06:04
Re: No straddling 169 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:10
Re: Pangenesis 233 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 224 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 226 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 225 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 222 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 209 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 235 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 228 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 226 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 169 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:44
Re: Why pretend? 221 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 237 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 226 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 232 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 221 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 243 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 226 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 261 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 228 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 216 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 199 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 227 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 221 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 234 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 222 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 232 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 219 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 217 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 235 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 213 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 223 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 245 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 219 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 245 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 217 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 235 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 215 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 221 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 226 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 221 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 211 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 210 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 218 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 222 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 225 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 228 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 210 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 220 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 214 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 224 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 215 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 216 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 221 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 225 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 207 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 240 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 218 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 218 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 228 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 224 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 220 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 222 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 222 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 232 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 231 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 229 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 231 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 216 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 224 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Dreams----crucial or not? 167 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:12
Re: No chance! 227 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Re: No chance! 171 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:03
Well done 224 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 216 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 209 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 216 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 215 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 213 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 213 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 228 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 215 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 212 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 208 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 213 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 213 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 222 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 225 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 223 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 223 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 217 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 225 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 213 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 214 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 218 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 217 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 220 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 228 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 236 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 226 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 224 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 237 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 231 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 220 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 231 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 208 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 211 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 225 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 214 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 224 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 219 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 228 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 208 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 230 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 252 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 248 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 236 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 226 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 253 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 225 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 226 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 227 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 227 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 227 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 218 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 218 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 229 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 217 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 223 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 230 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 226 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 225 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 247 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 215 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 234 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 222 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 217 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 222 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 226 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 202 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 247 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 201 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 267 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 225 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 231 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 224 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 216 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 225 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 221 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 217 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 225 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 227 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 239 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 234 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 218 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 217 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 221 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 233 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 237 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 229 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 230 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 233 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 218 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 249 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 253 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 242 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 210 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 248 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 247 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 207 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 165 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:40
Re: Great start 275 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 234 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 243 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 242 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 243 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 226 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 21:00
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 220 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 231 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 215 Susan Doris 04-Mar-20 06:42
Salvation - another myth 228 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 196 SandyJesse 01-Nov-19 22:27
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 229 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 226 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 216 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 196 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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