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It's a sect. The cult followers use the symbol of a cross, AN INSTRUMENT OF TORTURE, to identify their belief system. You would think if the were interested in peace a symbol of a dove or something like that might be more appropriate.

Well, technically a "sect" is a smaller subset ("section") of a larger religious group. Since nearly all current self-described "Christians" use the cross at least some times to represent their faith, that doesn't seem accurate.

But the over-all case against "official" Christianity as a religious, rather than political, movement is pretty strong. The use of the cross as a symbol for the doctrine itself actually cannot be traced earlier than the 8th century, which is about 4 centuries after the enforced adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire. Though the manner of Jesus death was known, it wasn't considered a suitable way to symbolize the movement itself by the early (genuine) Christians. Instead they used the fish sign because the letters of the word "ichthys" in Greek form an acrostic, or they used a picture of Jesus as "the good shepherd" carrying a lamb across his shoulders. The significance of the "instrument of torture" (instrument of brutal execution, actually) used as a symbol by an office of the state which invented it is not hard to recognize. But of course it was no longer suitable for use in enforcing obedience since it had become a paradoxical "religious symbol" and would elevate any new victims rather than disgrace them. Other methods such as public burning were adopted for punishing the disobedient and intimidating any other potential resistance.

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 2533 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 327 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 312 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 297 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 303 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 312 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 311 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 305 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 303 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 315 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 288 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 290 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 287 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 291 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 284 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 287 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 286 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 277 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 277 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 280 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 288 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 293 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 289 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 280 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 277 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 274 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 287 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 285 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 293 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 276 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 274 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 282 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 280 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 299 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 287 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 287 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 285 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 289 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 279 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 278 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 286 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 274 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 290 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 272 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 277 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 260 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 276 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 277 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 276 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 264 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 294 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 287 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 278 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 273 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 285 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 283 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 273 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 278 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 290 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 298 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 283 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 274 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 294 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 279 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 274 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 286 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 272 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 296 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 282 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 266 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 280 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 272 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 276 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 277 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 283 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 276 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 294 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 273 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 285 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 264 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 264 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 268 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 273 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 269 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 260 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 270 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 239 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 272 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 265 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
A basic human right.... 202 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 23:59
Re: Christianity 265 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 264 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 256 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 263 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 260 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 255 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 286 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 255 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 264 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 264 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 255 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 262 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 208 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:21
Re: Pangenesis 263 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 273 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 260 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 252 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 251 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 244 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 265 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 278 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 289 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 275 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: I already explained it, 208 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:30
No straddling 210 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 06:04
Re: No straddling 202 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:10
Re: Pangenesis 272 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 256 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 260 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 258 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 255 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 243 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 264 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 266 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 259 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 204 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:44
Re: Why pretend? 259 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 268 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 258 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 267 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 254 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 282 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 262 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 293 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 260 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 249 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 234 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 260 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 269 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 267 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 252 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 271 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 254 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 249 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 270 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 244 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 256 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 279 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 253 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 283 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 251 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 274 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 249 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 255 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 259 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 253 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 246 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 244 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 252 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 256 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 257 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 260 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 249 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 257 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 249 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 262 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 250 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 249 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 254 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 260 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 242 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 275 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 251 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 252 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 261 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 261 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 260 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 255 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 259 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 268 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 269 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 267 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 274 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 249 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 260 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Dreams----crucial or not? 203 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:12
Re: No chance! 258 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Re: No chance! 202 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:03
Well done 258 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 254 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 242 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 248 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 248 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 246 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 248 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 262 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 247 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 246 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 243 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 245 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 248 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 255 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 259 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 258 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 257 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 249 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 261 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 246 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 243 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 257 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 261 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 256 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 261 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 266 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 262 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 261 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 275 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 274 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 254 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 276 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 248 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 243 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 258 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 247 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 278 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 259 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 261 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 244 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 266 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 288 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 282 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 273 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 261 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 288 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 257 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 259 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 263 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 261 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 264 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 250 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 256 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 261 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 250 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 258 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 262 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 260 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 259 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 277 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 248 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 267 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 253 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 254 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 256 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 258 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 233 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 281 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 235 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 305 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 257 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 267 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 256 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 255 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 256 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 258 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 250 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 261 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 259 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 274 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 266 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 255 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 250 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 261 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 267 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 268 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 266 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 266 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 267 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 250 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 286 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 289 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 277 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 246 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 282 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 279 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 239 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 199 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:40
Re: Great start 308 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 266 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 281 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 278 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 281 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 267 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 21:00
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 252 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 298 Susan Doris 04-Mar-20 06:42
Salvation - another myth 281 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 228 SandyJesse 01-Nov-19 22:27
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 262 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 259 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 258 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 245 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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