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Re: Why can't religion and science both be right?
Author: GramPong ()
Date: August 24, 2019 05:02PM
Thank you so much for your effort.

Unfortunately, I'm not any clearer as to the metric you use to sort "real world" from "fantasy world".

You've got "faith" entwined with "objective facts" right at the start. We have already headed down totally different paths because for me, "faith" has absolutely NOTHING to do with "objective facts". Maybe this is the disconnect that I'm having where "objective facts" and "faith" are entirely severable concepts for me, and somehow other people have conflated the two concepts and can't disengage one from the other.

I suspect that the flaws I see in your further points are directly related to our respective choices at this philosophical fork.

I appreciate our discussions very much. They help clarify thoughts very well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24-Aug-19 17:21 by GramPong.

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 2405 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 284 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 267 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 258 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 258 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 271 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 271 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 257 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 261 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 257 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 243 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 242 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 241 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 248 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 242 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 245 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 246 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 237 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 235 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 239 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 246 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 250 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 246 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 235 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 235 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 230 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 243 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 242 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 252 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 236 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 236 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 243 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 237 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 252 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 246 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 245 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 243 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 238 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 235 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 239 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 244 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 234 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 248 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 230 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 235 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 217 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 226 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 236 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 229 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 222 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 248 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 244 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 237 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 234 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 243 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 240 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 233 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 238 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 243 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 248 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 239 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 232 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 249 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 238 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 232 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 237 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 232 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 247 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 241 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 226 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 233 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 232 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 232 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 239 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 243 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 230 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 249 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 231 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 243 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 224 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 225 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 228 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 231 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 230 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 223 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 233 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 203 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 235 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 230 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
A basic human right.... 169 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 23:59
Re: Christianity 225 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 227 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 223 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 227 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 226 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 217 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 247 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 220 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 226 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 226 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 219 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 227 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 173 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:21
Re: Pangenesis 227 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 235 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 219 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 219 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 218 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 204 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 223 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 242 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 234 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 235 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: I already explained it, 172 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:30
No straddling 177 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 06:04
Re: No straddling 167 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:10
Re: Pangenesis 231 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 222 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 222 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 224 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 220 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 207 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 233 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 226 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 224 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 167 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:44
Re: Why pretend? 220 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 236 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 224 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 230 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 220 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 241 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 224 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 257 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 226 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 214 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 198 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 223 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 219 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 232 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 220 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 230 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 218 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 216 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 234 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 211 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 221 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 243 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 217 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 241 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 217 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 232 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 213 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 219 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 223 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 218 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 209 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 209 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 216 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 221 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 223 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 226 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 209 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 218 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 213 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 223 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 213 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 214 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 219 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 223 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 205 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 238 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 217 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 216 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 226 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 222 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 218 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 220 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 219 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 229 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 230 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 227 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 229 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 214 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 222 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Dreams----crucial or not? 165 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:12
Re: No chance! 226 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Re: No chance! 169 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:03
Well done 221 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 215 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 208 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 214 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 213 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 210 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 211 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 226 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 213 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 211 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 206 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 211 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 211 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 221 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 223 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 221 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 221 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 215 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 223 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 212 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 212 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 217 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 216 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 218 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 226 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 234 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 224 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 222 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 236 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 230 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 219 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 231 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 206 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 209 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 223 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 212 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 224 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 217 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 225 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 206 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 228 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 251 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 247 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 234 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 224 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 251 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 224 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 224 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 226 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 226 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 225 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 217 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 217 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 227 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 215 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 222 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 228 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 224 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 222 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 246 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 213 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 232 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 220 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 216 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 219 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 224 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 199 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 245 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 199 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 266 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 222 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 230 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 222 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 214 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 223 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 220 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 214 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 223 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 226 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 237 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 232 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 217 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 214 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 220 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 231 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 236 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 227 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 228 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 231 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 216 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 247 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 252 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 241 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 208 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 246 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 245 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 206 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 164 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:40
Re: Great start 273 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 231 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 240 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 240 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 241 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 222 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 21:00
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 218 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 229 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 211 Susan Doris 04-Mar-20 06:42
Salvation - another myth 227 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 195 SandyJesse 01-Nov-19 22:27
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 227 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 223 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 213 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 195 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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