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Re: Why can't religion and science both be right?
Author: GramPong ()
Date: August 24, 2019 05:02PM
Thank you so much for your effort.

Unfortunately, I'm not any clearer as to the metric you use to sort "real world" from "fantasy world".

You've got "faith" entwined with "objective facts" right at the start. We have already headed down totally different paths because for me, "faith" has absolutely NOTHING to do with "objective facts". Maybe this is the disconnect that I'm having where "objective facts" and "faith" are entirely severable concepts for me, and somehow other people have conflated the two concepts and can't disengage one from the other.

I suspect that the flaws I see in your further points are directly related to our respective choices at this philosophical fork.

I appreciate our discussions very much. They help clarify thoughts very well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24-Aug-19 17:21 by GramPong.

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 2465 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 304 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 289 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 277 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 280 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 292 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 291 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 284 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 282 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 287 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 264 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 266 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 262 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 267 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 264 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 266 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 266 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 257 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 257 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 260 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 264 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 272 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 268 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 255 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 256 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 253 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 267 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 265 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 273 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 257 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 255 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 262 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 259 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 278 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 266 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 268 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 264 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 260 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 259 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 259 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 264 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 253 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 270 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 251 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 257 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 236 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 247 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 257 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 256 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 244 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 272 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 267 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 257 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 253 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 264 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 263 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 254 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 258 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 266 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 275 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 261 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 253 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 271 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 259 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 252 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 262 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 252 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 272 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 260 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 246 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 255 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 252 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 250 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 257 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 264 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 254 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 273 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 253 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 266 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 244 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 244 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 248 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 253 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 249 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 243 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 252 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 221 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 256 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 248 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
A basic human right.... 186 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 23:59
Re: Christianity 249 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 246 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 240 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 248 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 242 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 238 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 268 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 239 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 243 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 245 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 238 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 244 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 191 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:21
Re: Pangenesis 243 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 255 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 241 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 236 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 236 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 224 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 246 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 260 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 264 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 255 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: I already explained it, 190 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:30
No straddling 194 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 06:04
Re: No straddling 186 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:10
Re: Pangenesis 252 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 239 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 243 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 241 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 239 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 227 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 249 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 246 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 241 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 187 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:44
Re: Why pretend? 242 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 252 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 242 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 247 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 238 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 264 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 245 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 278 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 245 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 232 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 217 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 243 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 245 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 248 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 237 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 251 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 236 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 231 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 252 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 228 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 241 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 263 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 234 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 265 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 235 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 256 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 230 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 238 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 241 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 236 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 227 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 229 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 234 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 239 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 240 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 244 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 230 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 241 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 233 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 242 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 233 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 232 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 239 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 243 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 225 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 257 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 235 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 235 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 242 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 244 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 241 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 240 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 242 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 253 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 250 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 245 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 254 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 232 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 242 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Dreams----crucial or not? 185 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:12
Re: No chance! 243 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Re: No chance! 187 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:03
Well done 240 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 235 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 227 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 231 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 231 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 230 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 230 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 246 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 231 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 228 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 226 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 230 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 231 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 240 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 242 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 238 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 241 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 233 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 241 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 231 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 228 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 235 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 237 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 239 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 244 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 251 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 244 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 241 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 256 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 254 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 239 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 258 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 228 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 227 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 242 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 229 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 251 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 236 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 245 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 225 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 246 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 272 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 267 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 253 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 241 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 270 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 242 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 243 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 246 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 245 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 246 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 233 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 238 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 245 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 235 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 242 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 247 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 244 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 243 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 262 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 231 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 252 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 237 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 237 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 239 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 241 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 217 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 265 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 219 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 288 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 241 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 252 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 239 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 232 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 241 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 238 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 233 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 244 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 243 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 258 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 251 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 234 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 235 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 240 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 249 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 252 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 247 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 246 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 251 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 235 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 267 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 271 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 262 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 227 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 265 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 264 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 224 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 183 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:40
Re: Great start 291 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 249 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 260 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 259 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 261 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 249 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 21:00
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 235 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 249 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 252 Susan Doris 04-Mar-20 06:42
Salvation - another myth 254 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 210 SandyJesse 01-Nov-19 22:27
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 245 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 243 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 232 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 221 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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