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Re: Why can't religion and science both be right?
Author: GramPong ()
Date: August 24, 2019 05:02PM
Thank you so much for your effort.

Unfortunately, I'm not any clearer as to the metric you use to sort "real world" from "fantasy world".

You've got "faith" entwined with "objective facts" right at the start. We have already headed down totally different paths because for me, "faith" has absolutely NOTHING to do with "objective facts". Maybe this is the disconnect that I'm having where "objective facts" and "faith" are entirely severable concepts for me, and somehow other people have conflated the two concepts and can't disengage one from the other.

I suspect that the flaws I see in your further points are directly related to our respective choices at this philosophical fork.

I appreciate our discussions very much. They help clarify thoughts very well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24-Aug-19 17:21 by GramPong.

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 2511 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 320 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 302 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 290 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 297 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 305 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 305 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 298 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 296 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 306 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 281 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 279 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 278 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 280 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 277 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 280 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 279 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 270 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 274 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 278 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 285 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 282 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 270 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 267 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 280 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 278 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 286 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 270 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 268 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 275 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 274 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 291 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 279 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 281 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 277 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 276 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 272 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 272 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 277 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 267 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 284 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 265 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 271 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 250 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 262 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 271 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 270 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 257 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 285 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 279 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 271 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 267 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 278 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 277 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 267 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 272 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 279 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 291 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 276 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 266 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 284 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 272 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 267 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 277 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 264 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 287 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 275 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 259 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 268 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 265 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 265 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 270 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 277 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 270 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 287 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 266 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 279 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 258 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 256 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 261 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 266 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 262 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 255 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 264 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 233 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 266 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 260 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
A basic human right.... 197 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 23:59
Re: Christianity 259 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 257 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 251 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 258 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 252 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 249 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 279 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 249 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 256 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 256 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 248 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 255 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 202 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:21
Re: Pangenesis 254 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 265 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 253 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 247 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 246 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 234 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 256 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 271 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 278 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 265 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: I already explained it, 200 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:30
No straddling 204 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 06:04
Re: No straddling 197 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:10
Re: Pangenesis 264 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 251 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 253 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 253 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 251 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 238 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 258 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 261 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 252 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 197 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:44
Re: Why pretend? 253 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 262 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 252 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 258 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 248 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 275 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 256 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 288 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 255 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 243 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 228 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 254 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 256 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 259 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 247 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 261 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 247 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 243 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 263 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 239 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 251 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 273 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 247 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 276 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 245 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 267 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 240 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 249 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 252 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 246 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 237 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 238 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 246 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 250 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 250 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 254 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 239 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 251 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 244 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 255 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 244 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 243 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 249 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 253 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 235 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 267 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 245 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 246 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 252 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 255 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 252 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 250 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 253 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 263 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 263 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 256 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 267 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 243 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 253 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Dreams----crucial or not? 195 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:12
Re: No chance! 253 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Re: No chance! 197 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:03
Well done 250 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 245 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 237 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 242 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 242 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 242 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 244 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 256 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 242 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 240 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 236 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 240 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 242 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 249 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 252 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 251 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 253 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 245 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 251 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 241 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 238 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 247 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 247 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 249 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 255 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 261 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 255 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 250 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 267 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 268 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 249 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 271 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 238 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 237 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 252 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 240 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 247 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 256 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 236 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 257 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 282 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 277 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 263 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 252 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 282 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 252 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 254 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 257 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 255 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 257 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 243 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 247 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 256 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 245 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 253 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 257 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 254 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 253 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 272 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 242 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 262 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 247 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 248 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 250 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 252 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 228 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 275 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 228 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 298 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 252 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 261 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 250 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 243 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 251 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 253 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 245 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 255 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 254 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 269 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 261 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 245 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 245 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 249 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 261 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 263 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 257 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 258 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 261 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 244 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 277 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 282 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 272 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 237 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 275 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 274 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 234 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 193 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:40
Re: Great start 301 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 259 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 269 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 274 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 259 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 21:00
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 247 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 262 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 284 Susan Doris 04-Mar-20 06:42
Salvation - another myth 270 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 221 SandyJesse 01-Nov-19 22:27
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 257 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 254 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 246 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 234 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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