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Re: Why can't religion and science both be right?
Author: GramPong ()
Date: August 24, 2019 05:02PM
Thank you so much for your effort.

Unfortunately, I'm not any clearer as to the metric you use to sort "real world" from "fantasy world".

You've got "faith" entwined with "objective facts" right at the start. We have already headed down totally different paths because for me, "faith" has absolutely NOTHING to do with "objective facts". Maybe this is the disconnect that I'm having where "objective facts" and "faith" are entirely severable concepts for me, and somehow other people have conflated the two concepts and can't disengage one from the other.

I suspect that the flaws I see in your further points are directly related to our respective choices at this philosophical fork.

I appreciate our discussions very much. They help clarify thoughts very well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24-Aug-19 17:21 by GramPong.

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 2329 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 253 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 232 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 228 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 227 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 238 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 240 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 230 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 233 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 225 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 215 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 215 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 211 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 223 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 215 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 212 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 217 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 209 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 208 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 212 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 221 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 221 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 219 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 207 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 205 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 197 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 216 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 211 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 219 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 204 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 205 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 214 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 208 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 222 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 219 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 217 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 217 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 209 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 206 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 210 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 219 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 205 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 221 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 202 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 205 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 189 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 199 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 210 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 198 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 195 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 220 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 218 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 208 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 209 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 216 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 212 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 204 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 210 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 216 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 221 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 210 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 203 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 213 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 209 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 204 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 210 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 206 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 216 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 213 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 197 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 204 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 203 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 206 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 211 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 215 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 202 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 220 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 202 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 212 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 197 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 199 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 200 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 205 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 205 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 197 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 205 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 173 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 209 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 204 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
A basic human right.... 144 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 23:59
Re: Christianity 199 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 199 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 200 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 199 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 199 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 184 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 220 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 196 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 197 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 197 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 192 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 201 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 146 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:21
Re: Pangenesis 202 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 208 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 190 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 190 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 195 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 179 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 193 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 200 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 205 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 205 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: I already explained it, 148 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:30
No straddling 150 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 06:04
Re: No straddling 141 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:10
Re: Pangenesis 204 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 198 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 194 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 195 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 189 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 182 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 208 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 200 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 197 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 139 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:44
Re: Why pretend? 190 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 208 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 198 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 206 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 193 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 212 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 196 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 228 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 196 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 186 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 175 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 197 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 190 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 205 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 192 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 201 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 191 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 188 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 210 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 186 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 192 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 214 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 190 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 216 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 190 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 205 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 190 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 191 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 195 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 193 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 181 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 184 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 189 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 193 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 196 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 201 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 183 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 194 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 187 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 193 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 184 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 184 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 185 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 196 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 177 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 210 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 188 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 193 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 201 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 191 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 190 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 192 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 189 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 200 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 200 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 195 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 200 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 183 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 193 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Dreams----crucial or not? 139 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:12
Re: No chance! 201 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Re: No chance! 140 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:03
Well done 197 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 184 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 178 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 187 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 181 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 184 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 188 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 197 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 186 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 185 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 181 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 186 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 186 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 195 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 196 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 196 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 196 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 189 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 195 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 185 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 186 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 190 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 188 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 191 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 199 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 207 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 195 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 194 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 206 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 200 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 192 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 197 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 179 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 183 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 198 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 184 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 196 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 189 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 196 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 181 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 201 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 225 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 220 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 206 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 197 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 216 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 200 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 197 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 199 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 197 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 197 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 191 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 190 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 200 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 188 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 193 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 201 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 196 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 195 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 219 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 184 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 205 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 195 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 188 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 194 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 196 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 173 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 215 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 174 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 235 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 195 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 202 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 198 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 188 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 197 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 193 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 189 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 189 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 201 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 207 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 206 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 190 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 188 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 194 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 206 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 210 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 199 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 201 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 204 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 191 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 216 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 220 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 211 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 179 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 221 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 220 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 179 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 133 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:40
Re: Great start 244 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 201 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 211 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 212 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 212 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 189 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 21:00
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 190 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 201 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 163 Susan Doris 04-Mar-20 06:42
Salvation - another myth 186 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 168 SandyJesse 01-Nov-19 22:27
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 202 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 196 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 182 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 165 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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