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Re: The trouble with the Christian religion
Date: August 10, 2019 01:58PM
I don't have a problem with the sin concept in general. We all make mistakes, we all set goals which we did not achieve, we all do wrong.
The concept which I have been giving a lot of thought to recently which IS a problem for me is Original Sin. In light of my ideas about the gods, that new light makes Original Sin look different. I don't see that the Original Sin was any sin performed by homo sapiens, in fact, I think that sins had been going on for over a million years before homo sapiens got here.
I think the Original Sin(s) were the sins performed by homo divinus BEFORE THEY KNEW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. So in other words, homo divinus was performing acts which they NOW know are sins for over a million years before realize what they had been doing was wrong. I can only image how awful it must be to be burden with the guilt for actions you didn't know NOT to perform which you now know are horrific.
One of the meaning I'm extracting from the Garden of Eden story is how KNOWING that what you are doing is wrong is such a significant criteria. This has always carried psychological importance, but I'm thinking that this might also be a historical reflection.
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All is all there is
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Clarification requested
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That book!
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A Christian God, a Muslim God etc.
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God is not a "he"
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Real God
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Common Experience
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Been studied in great detail
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The trouble with the Christian religion
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Sin
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Burning in hell
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Who?
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Growing up....
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Praise God/praise my brain
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Trusting one's personal experiences
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The natural world and the universe IS God
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In search of the lost chord
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The big electron
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Prayers....
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God and religion
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It is well with my Soul
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Religion and Spiritual Development in Childhood
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Lots of very young children know things they "should not" know
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Is Gerda basically correct?
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Who said what?
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Who should I believe?
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No excuse--pure laziness
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Reincarnation has been researched by many
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Come, dance in the moonlight, Susan!!!
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verified? by whom?
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Re: verified? by whom?
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The lazy way doesn't work
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Spiitual blindness
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Spiritual blindness
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Childhood faith
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Discovering reality
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Finding what you seek
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How about
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Agreed, but
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Trusting or not what we read
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Doing her homework?
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Belief vs. Way
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