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Aren't we just going around in circles?
I don't think that that is a good description really. I ask you a direct question and, because you cannot answer it with anything objective, you put yourself behind your shield of faith belief and fend off the question, or try to accuse me of not being a sufficiently educated person, whereas I am the one who long since realised that all totally faith beliefs are based entirely on humanly thought-up ideas.
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I've experienced God through the Holy Spirit,
This requires 100% faith.
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learned about Him in an anthropomorphic way through Jesus,
Everything you have learnt about the Holy Spirit and God is via the ideas of other human beings and your own brain’s interpretation of them. Anything about Jesus's holiness, continued existence,ability to love people, hear prayers, etc is based 100% on what other people have thought and said about him. No direct writings of his exist.
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and sense His presence inside me--the longer I live, the stronger it feels.
I absolutely believe that you believe that is what you sense, but since it is entirely subjective, you, like many millions of others, are mistaking something imagined for something objective.

Fine, that's your right to do so, but I personally can positively assure you that the world is moresolid, more exciting, more accessible, and, yes, more directly seeing the sadness in it, but that to me is worth having because I know I am seeing the world and life unshaded, unfiltered, and real, and have been lucky enough to have lived a life in it. This will end within a few years and that is as it should be and is in reality; no whimsical notions of seeing some, any, kind of existence after consciousness ends and my physical remains are cremated.
And thosewho believe that consciousness in some way sort of floates off into space, or some other dimension or something are thinking a delusion.
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That's the Christian way of life..
And here I will go round in a small circle: what is better about your Christian life than my realistic, non-belief one?

Susan

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Musings about God 1626 drrayeye 03-Aug-19 15:13
Re: Musings about God 176 Susan Doris 03-Aug-19 15:36
Re: Musings about God 175 Eddie Larry 03-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Musings about God 196 drrayeye 03-Aug-19 17:19
Re: Musings about God 174 Eddie Larry 03-Aug-19 20:03
Re: Musings about God 176 drrayeye 03-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Musings about God 158 Eddie Larry 03-Aug-19 20:44
Re: Musings about God 184 Itatw70s 03-Aug-19 21:00
Re: Musings about God 168 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 00:54
Re: Musings about God 161 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 01:12
Re: Musings about God 173 Eddie Larry 04-Aug-19 03:08
Re: Musings about God 161 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 03:25
The view from Science Mountain, partly cloudy, chance of rain. 157 Eddie Larry 04-Aug-19 17:24
Re: Musings about God 186 Naveen 03-Aug-19 21:29
Re: Musings about God 167 drrayeye 03-Aug-19 23:46
Re: Musings about God 171 Naveen 04-Aug-19 20:54
Re: Musings about God 159 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 21:04
All is all there is 159 greengirl5 04-Aug-19 07:42
Re: Musings about God 192 Mo 04-Aug-19 03:32
Re: Musings about God 159 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 07:02
Re: Musings about God 166 Itatw70s 04-Aug-19 16:21
Re: Musings about God 160 Eddie Larry 04-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Musings about God 163 Naveen 04-Aug-19 21:08
Re: Musings about God 171 Susan Doris 04-Aug-19 06:59
Thanks 158 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 11:42
Clarification requested 218 eyeofhorus33 04-Aug-19 12:45
Re: Clarification requested 176 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 14:52
Re: Clarification requested 163 Susan Doris 04-Aug-19 16:46
Re: Clarification requested 174 Itatw70s 04-Aug-19 17:04
That book! 163 greengirl5 04-Aug-19 22:50
Re: Musings about God 169 Itatw70s 04-Aug-19 23:30
Re: Musings about God 166 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 23:33
Re: Musings about God 160 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 05:26
Re: Musings about God 160 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 09:01
Re: Musings about God 161 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 11:20
Re: Musings about God 166 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 13:18
Re: Musings about God 162 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 18:19
Re: Musings about God 163 Susan Doris 06-Aug-19 05:50
atheism 158 drrayeye 06-Aug-19 06:37
Re: atheism 158 Itatw70s 08-Aug-19 11:37
Re: atheism 164 drrayeye 08-Aug-19 12:11
Re: atheism 154 GramPong 08-Aug-19 12:20
Re: atheism 160 drrayeye 08-Aug-19 12:40
Re: atheism 151 GramPong 08-Aug-19 14:23
Re: atheism 163 Itatw70s 08-Aug-19 14:37
A Christian God, a Muslim God etc. 148 greengirl5 08-Aug-19 22:11
God is not a "he" 156 greengirl5 08-Aug-19 21:57
Re: God is not a "he" 156 drrayeye 08-Aug-19 22:56
Re: God is not a "he" 148 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 06:37
Real God 148 drrayeye 09-Aug-19 08:55
Re: Real God 165 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 09:41
Re: Real God 157 drrayeye 09-Aug-19 10:55
Re: Real God 157 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 12:24
Re: Real God 159 Eddie Larry 09-Aug-19 13:59
Re: Real God 155 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 15:40
Re: Real God 153 Eddie Larry 09-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Real God and real Jesus 163 greengirl5 10-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Real God and real Jesus 150 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 05:03
Common Experience 163 drrayeye 09-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Real God 153 Itatw70s 09-Aug-19 19:45
Been studied in great detail 161 drrayeye 09-Aug-19 23:15
Re: Been studied in great detail 158 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Real God 144 GramPong 10-Aug-19 12:07
The trouble with the Christian religion 156 greengirl5 10-Aug-19 12:29
Sin 152 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 13:32
Re: Sin 161 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 15:21
Re: Sin 135 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 15:58
Re: Sin 147 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Sin 153 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 16:24
Re: Sin 150 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 16:54
Re: Sin 161 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 17:50
Re: Sin 160 greengirl5 10-Aug-19 23:28
Re: Sin 153 Eddie Larry 11-Aug-19 03:35
Re: Sin 144 greengirl5 11-Aug-19 07:20
Re: Sin 159 Eddie Larry 11-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Sin 139 greengirl5 11-Aug-19 21:59
Re: The trouble with the Christian religion 161 GramPong 10-Aug-19 13:58
Burning in hell 159 greengirl5 10-Aug-19 23:39
Re: Burning in hell 149 GramPong 11-Aug-19 00:08
Who? 145 greengirl5 11-Aug-19 00:33
Re: Who? 175 GramPong 11-Aug-19 00:57
Re: Who? 165 greengirl5 11-Aug-19 07:03
Re: Real God 165 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 15:16
Re: Real God 152 Itatw70s 10-Aug-19 21:19
Re: Real God 160 GramPong 10-Aug-19 22:59
Growing up.... 160 Itatw70s 11-Aug-19 22:51
Praise God/praise my brain 161 greengirl5 09-Aug-19 23:46
Re: God is not a "he" 158 Itatw70s 09-Aug-19 19:06
Re: atheism 156 Enigcom 08-Aug-19 12:20
Trusting one's personal experiences 168 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 07:23
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences 156 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 09:10
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences 159 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 11:28
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences 164 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences 166 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 15:27
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences 169 Eddie Larry 05-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences 158 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 16:46
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences 159 Eddie Larry 05-Aug-19 18:49
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences 165 Itatw70s 08-Aug-19 16:06
The natural world and the universe IS God 168 greengirl5 05-Aug-19 22:24
Re: The natural world and the universe IS God 166 Itatw70s 08-Aug-19 14:40
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences, the ingested God experience. 164 Itatw70s 05-Aug-19 22:43
Re: Trusting one's personal experiences, the ingested God experience. 158 GramPong 05-Aug-19 23:44
In search of the lost chord 181 grangram 04-Aug-19 12:27
The big electron 175 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 16:07
Prayers.... 180 Itatw70s 04-Aug-19 16:50
Re: Prayers.... 177 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 21:24
Re: Prayers.... 151 Itatw70s 08-Aug-19 23:15
Re: Musings about God 173 Enigcom 04-Aug-19 21:14
God and religion 171 greengirl5 04-Aug-19 23:07
Re: God and religion 175 Itatw70s 04-Aug-19 23:15
It is well with my Soul 168 drrayeye 04-Aug-19 23:52
Re: God and religion 168 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 05:33
Religion and Spiritual Development in Childhood 174 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 06:26
Lots of very young children know things they "should not" know 170 greengirl5 05-Aug-19 06:49
Re: Lots of very young children know things they "should not" know 160 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 07:19
Is Gerda basically correct? 166 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Is Gerda basically correct? 169 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 14:25
Re: Is Gerda basically correct? 158 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 15:02
Re: Is Gerda basically correct? 165 Susan Doris 05-Aug-19 16:54
Who said what? 164 greengirl5 05-Aug-19 22:40
Who should I believe? 155 greengirl5 05-Aug-19 22:37
Re: God and religion 165 Itatw70s 05-Aug-19 23:36
Re: God and religion 163 Susan Doris 06-Aug-19 06:03
Re: God and religion 148 drrayeye 06-Aug-19 06:32
Re: God and religion 152 Susan Doris 06-Aug-19 07:03
No excuse--pure laziness 162 drrayeye 06-Aug-19 07:43
Re: God and religion 151 Itatw70s 08-Aug-19 14:55
Re: God and religion 158 Susan Doris 08-Aug-19 15:58
Re: God and religion 156 Itatw70s 08-Aug-19 17:06
Reincarnation has been researched by many 147 greengirl5 08-Aug-19 22:21
Come, dance in the moonlight, Susan!!! 153 Itatw70s 09-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Come, dance in the moonlight, Susan!!! 154 GramPong 09-Aug-19 01:28
Re: Come, dance in the moonlight, Susan!!! 135 Itatw70s 09-Aug-19 11:28
Re: Come, dance in the moonlight, Susan!!! 159 GramPong 09-Aug-19 12:08
Re: Come, dance in the moonlight, Susan!!! 156 Itatw70s 09-Aug-19 14:10
Re: Come, dance in the moonlight, Susan!!! 154 Itatw70s 09-Aug-19 22:36
Re: Come, dance in the moonlight, Susan!!! 145 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 06:54
Re: Reincarnation has been researched by many 145 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 06:47
verified? by whom? 145 drrayeye 09-Aug-19 09:03
Re: verified? by whom? 150 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 09:44
The lazy way doesn't work 131 drrayeye 09-Aug-19 15:18
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 149 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 15:50
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 152 drrayeye 09-Aug-19 16:46
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 138 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 22:04
Re: The crazy way doesn't work!!! 182 Itatw70s 09-Aug-19 22:49
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 155 Eddie Larry 09-Aug-19 16:55
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 151 Susan Doris 09-Aug-19 22:10
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 141 Eddie Larry 09-Aug-19 22:18
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 152 Itatw70s 09-Aug-19 23:03
Science 149 drrayeye 09-Aug-19 23:41
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 155 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 05:21
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 150 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 05:47
Re: The lazy way doesn't work 155 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 09:02
Spiitual blindness 148 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 12:52
Spiritual blindness 146 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Spiitual blindness 146 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 15:27
Re: Spiitual blindness 142 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 16:09
Re: Spiitual blindness 146 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 17:03
Childhood faith 156 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 20:16
Discovering reality 151 greengirl5 10-Aug-19 00:32
Finding what you seek 161 greengirl5 10-Aug-19 00:28
Re: Finding what you seek 143 Itatw70s 10-Aug-19 21:42
Posting frequency 147 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 22:48
Re: Posting frequency 147 GramPong 10-Aug-19 23:17
Re: Posting frequency 146 Susan Doris 11-Aug-19 08:17
Re: Posting frequency 146 greengirl5 11-Aug-19 09:02
Re: Posting frequency 144 Susan Doris 11-Aug-19 09:41
Re: Posting frequency 152 greengirl5 11-Aug-19 12:58
Re: Posting frequency 136 Susan Doris 11-Aug-19 13:02
Re: Posting frequency 150 greengirl5 11-Aug-19 22:05
Re: Posting frequency 155 Itatw70s 11-Aug-19 23:15
How about 157 drrayeye 12-Aug-19 03:45
Re: Posting frequency 150 Susan Doris 12-Aug-19 05:10
Agreed, but 140 drrayeye 12-Aug-19 08:10
Re: Agreed, but 141 greengirl5 12-Aug-19 23:13
Trusting or not what we read 136 greengirl5 10-Aug-19 00:21
Re: Trusting or not what we read 144 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Trusting or not what we read 142 greengirl5 10-Aug-19 07:15
Re: Trusting or not what we read 139 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 09:10
Re: Trusting or not what we read 143 greengirl5 10-Aug-19 12:35
Re: Trusting or not what we read 143 Susan Doris 10-Aug-19 15:31
Re: Trusting or not what we read 142 greengirl5 11-Aug-19 00:00
Re: Trusting or not what we read 138 Susan Doris 11-Aug-19 12:58
Re: Trusting or not what we read 145 greengirl5 11-Aug-19 22:31
Re: Trusting or not what we read 160 Susan Doris 12-Aug-19 14:39
Re: Trusting or not what we read 148 greengirl5 12-Aug-19 23:28
Re: Trusting or not what we read 141 Susan Doris 13-Aug-19 05:14
Doing her homework? 139 drrayeye 13-Aug-19 05:42
Re: Doing her homework? 149 greengirl5 13-Aug-19 06:32
Re: Doing her homework? 138 Susan Doris 13-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Doing her homework? 262 greengirl5 13-Aug-19 22:53
Re: Trusting or not what we read 134 greengirl5 13-Aug-19 06:29
Re: Trusting or not what we read 152 Susan Doris 13-Aug-19 14:34
Re: Trusting or not what we read 145 GramPong 10-Aug-19 12:21
Belief vs. Way 155 drrayeye 10-Aug-19 14:04
Re: Belief vs. Way 151 GramPong 11-Aug-19 12:05
Re: Trusting or not what we read 146 Itatw70s 10-Aug-19 22:03
Re: Musings about God 194 jazzmumbles 05-Aug-19 00:53
Re: Musings about God 171 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Musings about God 188 jazzmumbles 05-Aug-19 12:59
Re: Musings about God 172 drrayeye 05-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Musings about God 195 jazzmumbles 07-Aug-19 01:17
Re: Musings about God 193 ray wakila 05-Aug-19 01:26
Re: Musings about God 182 Itatw70s 07-Aug-19 11:56
Re: Musings about God 187 Itatw70s 07-Aug-19 15:21
Re: Musings about God 178 Enigcom 08-Aug-19 12:05
Re: Musings about God 155 Itatw70s 11-Aug-19 20:39
Re: Musings about God 146 Archaic 13-Aug-19 13:14
Re: Musings about God 154 Susan Doris 13-Aug-19 14:37
Re: Musings about God 162 Archaic 13-Aug-19 16:23


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