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Hi PB I wonder,is there a different perspective on the Jesus virgin birth? Your experience/s are not so much physical as spiritual and the 2 realms are very different? Some of the early texts show a more spiritual take on it, they seem imo to be showing the original Primal Adam doctrine.
Eusebius 300-40ad. Listed a group called Ebonites ('the poor' see Essenes) who had the doctrine of the 'Primal Adam', in Hebrew language 'Adam' and the word 'Man' are interchangeable, and so Adam can be the 1st Adam or Man.
To the Ebionites, Christ is Adam, the first created, a 'Spirit' higher than angels, lord of all. He comes here when he (it?) chooses, as when he (it?) came in Adam, he (it?) came also in the last days, put on Jesus body, appeared to men, was crucified, resurrected and ascended. also they say, the Spirit which is Christ came unto him and put on the man, who is called Jesus. So the 'first Adam' comes in and out of being, manifesting in bodies through out time.
Hippoltus ad 200s Rome. Listed a group called the Elchasaites for who,
'The Christ is superior to the rest, is transfused into many bodies and was now in Jesus, Like wise this Jesus afterwards was continually transfused into bodies and was manifested into many in different times. This Secret Adam
St Paul letters 1 Corinthians. He talks of Jesus as the 2nd man? (man = adam) So Jesus could be 2nd Adam the primal Adam. Paul knew the old doctrines well. So is the real Jesus the 'Christ'? A power that lives in bodies, in yours, in mine? The source of life itself?
Then in Islam, Adam and Jesus are the only men who didn't have fathers and Adam didn't even have a mother.
So for me experiencing the spiritual essence, which is not born of woman, the Elan Vital, Ground of Being, the essence of every body, is the goal, but sadly unrecognised by most people, only those who have experienced the Gnosis, of vision/experience can really grasp this concept. So should we even be bothered about parenthood of the great teachers? For me it is about experiencing Gnosis and making that the solid foundation (the rock) and not the world of change (sand). I was taught to achieve this through meditation, (not a 5min quick fix as advertised on the web) focusing in silence for 1 hour a day minimum, slowly washing off the hard edges of my stone mind. I think we discussed this in the vicar in the cave documentary thread.
There are other hints IMO, Joshua 1chp8, “This book of law shall not depart from thy mouth, but thou shalt meditate there in day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written there in: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous and then thou shalt have good success”
the First Epistle of John chp1 “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard which we have seen with our eyes which we have looked upon and our hands have handled of the word of life.
Gospel of Thomas, “If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you”
I was taught without books, just to meditate and live from/in that experience. I asked about books, one mahatma said, 'why do you want to keep reading the menu, eat the food!'
I see the greatness of Jesus as his gift of Peace, which brings with it all the good stuff compassion, patience and Love. But I don't lock out John the baptist or James the Just. I see a chain of influence right through to Islam and back in time too as EOH33 has posted, the bathing, the food laws, Mohamed's vision in a cave, etc.. I would Love to see all peoples not fighting over who has best religion but appreciating all the great teachers and then perhaps we could stop the religious hatred, but it maybe a forlorn hope. malc
“If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear
to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow
chinks of his cavern.” William Blake
PS birth charts? I used to do them, we may talk sometime?

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Jesus' Female Disciples. 1824 grangram 28-Apr-19 07:27
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 263 Susan Doris 28-Apr-19 10:43
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 231 grangram 28-Apr-19 15:27
The Women Behind Every Great Man. 221 Itatw70s 29-Apr-19 22:58
Re: The Women Behind Every Great Man. 192 Susan Doris 30-Apr-19 09:40
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 242 PB Bytes 28-Apr-19 14:44
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 222 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 00:12
Further thoughts 207 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 14:09
Re: Further thoughts Female Saints 205 Eddie Larry 29-Apr-19 14:18
Re: Further thoughts Female Saints 216 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 14:29
Re: Further thoughts Female Saints 202 Eddie Larry 29-Apr-19 15:54
This, on Mary Magdalene 210 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 15:53
The Mauling of the Magdalene 216 eyeofhorus33 01-May-19 18:34
Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene 198 PB Bytes 02-May-19 18:40
Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene EDITED 221 eyeofhorus33 02-May-19 20:26
Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene EDITED 212 drrayeye 03-May-19 17:14
Amending the Apostles Creed... 202 PB Bytes 05-May-19 05:31
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 200 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 14:57
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 190 PB Bytes 05-May-19 15:17
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 191 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 17:53
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 178 PB Bytes 05-May-19 18:02
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 208 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 18:14
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 192 PB Bytes 05-May-19 18:26
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 181 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 19:10
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 205 PB Bytes 05-May-19 21:54
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 176 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 22:13
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 196 Itatw70s 05-May-19 22:50
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 205 PB Bytes 05-May-19 23:29
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 198 Itatw70s 05-May-19 23:56
Virgin birth? 213 eyeofhorus33 06-May-19 19:07
Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 198 PB Bytes 07-May-19 02:18
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 196 Susan Doris 07-May-19 05:25
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 201 PB Bytes 08-May-19 14:24
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 191 Susan Doris 08-May-19 15:21
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 185 PB Bytes 10-May-19 00:24
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 183 Susan Doris 10-May-19 05:18
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 185 PB Bytes 10-May-19 14:32
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 198 drrayeye 07-May-19 07:03
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 202 eyeofhorus33 07-May-19 19:39
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 198 drrayeye 07-May-19 21:27
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 193 eyeofhorus33 08-May-19 16:21
The formation of dogma in the Christian church 198 drrayeye 08-May-19 18:22
Micah: The formation of dogma in the Christian church 206 PB Bytes 09-May-19 17:17
Re: Micah: The formation of dogma in the Christian church 203 drrayeye 09-May-19 17:48
Re: Micah: The formation of dogma in the Christian church 187 PB Bytes 09-May-19 18:07
The Luminous Vision? 193 grangram 10-May-19 05:27
Re: The Luminous Vision? 197 PB Bytes 13-May-19 20:46
Re: The Luminous Vision? 221 PB Bytes 13-May-19 21:45
Re: The Luminous Vision? 188 grangram 22-May-19 06:11
IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 216 eyeofhorus33 07-May-19 19:48
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 213 PB Bytes 07-May-19 20:14
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 218 eyeofhorus33 07-May-19 21:10
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 196 PB Bytes 07-May-19 21:42
The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 193 Itatw70s 07-May-19 22:27
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 196 PB Bytes 07-May-19 22:54
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 210 Itatw70s 07-May-19 23:47
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 199 PB Bytes 08-May-19 00:30
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 182 Itatw70s 08-May-19 11:52
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 188 PB Bytes 08-May-19 14:27
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 185 Itatw70s 08-May-19 15:16
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 187 Eddie Larry 08-May-19 17:12
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 189 Itatw70s 08-May-19 18:51
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 202 Susan Doris 08-May-19 15:26
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 188 Itatw70s 08-May-19 18:53
The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 222 grangram 08-May-19 08:47
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 194 Susan Doris 08-May-19 11:43
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 197 PB Bytes 08-May-19 14:21
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 197 Susan Doris 08-May-19 15:33
No 188 drrayeye 08-May-19 18:37
Re: No 194 Itatw70s 08-May-19 22:20
Re: No 181 Susan Doris 09-May-19 05:41
Re: No 192 Itatw70s 09-May-19 11:33
Re: No 188 Susan Doris 09-May-19 05:32
Re: No 204 drrayeye 09-May-19 06:30
Re: No 197 Susan Doris 09-May-19 12:35
Re: No 182 Eddie Larry 09-May-19 14:17
Re: No 183 Susan Doris 09-May-19 15:30
Re: No 184 Eddie Larry 09-May-19 20:43
Re: Nowhere near the final exegesis of the mind. 201 Itatw70s 09-May-19 23:06
Going around in circles 192 drrayeye 09-May-19 16:00
Re: Going around in circles 184 Itatw70s 09-May-19 16:24
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 191 PB Bytes 10-May-19 00:15
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 204 PB Bytes 08-May-19 14:29
As above, so below.... 277 PB Bytes 08-May-19 20:56
thanks 182 grangram 09-May-19 08:14
Re: thanks 188 PB Bytes 09-May-19 14:02
yeah 186 grangram 09-May-19 15:49
Catholic-universal? 180 PB Bytes 13-May-19 20:07
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 199 PB Bytes 07-May-19 22:47
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 188 Susan Doris 08-May-19 07:32
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 181 Susan Doris 08-May-19 05:39
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 192 eyeofhorus33 08-May-19 22:04
Problem is 184 drrayeye 09-May-19 07:55
"Bible worthless as history" 193 eyeofhorus33 09-May-19 10:50
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 184 drrayeye 09-May-19 13:18
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 191 Susan Doris 09-May-19 14:09
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 173 Eddie Larry 09-May-19 14:23
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 175 Susan Doris 09-May-19 16:05
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 176 Eddie Larry 09-May-19 20:53
a little strong 190 drrayeye 09-May-19 17:00
Jesus' Female Disciples. 177 grangram 10-May-19 05:14
Here we go again... 187 PB Bytes 09-May-19 16:31
Re: Here we go again... 184 Susan Doris 09-May-19 17:12
First, 184 drrayeye 09-May-19 18:26
Re: First, 182 Susan Doris 10-May-19 05:39
Academic thinking 194 drrayeye 09-May-19 18:14
Re: Academic thinking 180 PB Bytes 09-May-19 19:12
Tolstoy thinking 187 PB Bytes 12-May-19 13:12
David Rohl Lectures 196 grangram 15-May-19 12:52
Rohl's Revised Chronology 196 eyeofhorus33 18-May-19 17:42
Re: Rohl's Revised Chronology 178 grangram 19-May-19 04:43
Re: Rohl's Revised Chronology 182 eyeofhorus33 19-May-19 14:36
Re: Rohl's Revised Chronology 189 grangram 21-May-19 07:26
Thank you 203 eyeofhorus33 21-May-19 21:02
Re: Thank you 180 PB Bytes 22-May-19 02:02
Indeed 191 eyeofhorus33 22-May-19 17:19
Psuedo intellectual dishonesty 181 PB Bytes 22-May-19 18:21
Re: Psuedo intellectual dishonesty 182 eyeofhorus33 22-May-19 18:53
Re: Psuedo intellectual dishonesty 168 PB Bytes 22-May-19 19:12
Speechless (with an edited to add comment) 207 eyeofhorus33 22-May-19 19:19
Re: Speechless (with an edited to add comment--ooh, I'm sooo scared) 188 PB Bytes 22-May-19 20:10
Re: Speechless (with an edited to add comment--ooh, I'm sooo scared) 201 eyeofhorus33 22-May-19 20:33
Thornborough, Giza & Orion Shining Above-Below 196 grangram 23-May-19 10:02
Re: Thornborough, Giza & Orion Shining Above-Below 178 PB Bytes 23-May-19 14:27
Jason Colavito 177 drrayeye 23-May-19 17:59
Re: Jason Calovito 169 PB Bytes 23-May-19 18:09
Re: Jason Colavito 175 drrayeye 23-May-19 23:58
Can't even spell his name correctly (n/t) 193 eyeofhorus33 24-May-19 14:00
corrected 170 drrayeye 24-May-19 15:37
Re: Jason Colavito part One 174 PB Bytes 24-May-19 15:37
Re: Jason Colavito part One 172 drrayeye 24-May-19 16:18
Re: Jason Colavito part Four - on Hancock re Rogan and Magicians of the Gods 195 PB Bytes 24-May-19 22:46
It's Jason's debunkatron POV 184 drrayeye 25-May-19 18:53
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 173 PB Bytes 25-May-19 19:26
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 175 PB Bytes 26-May-19 00:57
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 171 Susan Doris 26-May-19 07:47
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 168 PB Bytes 26-May-19 15:49
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 177 drrayeye 26-May-19 10:56
One's path... 171 PB Bytes 26-May-19 16:52
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 190 Susan Doris 26-May-19 07:33
As long as we suppose 301 drrayeye 26-May-19 21:47
Re: Jason Colavito part Two - on Shermer re Rogan and Magicians of the Gods 171 PB Bytes 24-May-19 16:43
You had me at hello 165 drrayeye 24-May-19 16:57
Re: Jason Colavito part Three - on Shermer re Rogan and Magicians of the Gods 174 PB Bytes 24-May-19 17:41
Links 188 eyeofhorus33 23-May-19 17:01
Egyptian Genesis 187 grangram 22-May-19 06:49
Bayesian carbon 14 dating video--comments 174 drrayeye 22-May-19 21:54
Patterns of evidence 184 drrayeye 20-May-19 13:48
Not yet Ray 207 eyeofhorus33 20-May-19 19:52
Re: Here we go again... 203 eyeofhorus33 09-May-19 21:19
Re: Here we go again... 207 PB Bytes 09-May-19 22:48
Re: Here we go again... 193 Susan Doris 10-May-19 05:50
Re: Here we go again... 178 PB Bytes 10-May-19 16:56
You are mistaken.. 191 eyeofhorus33 10-May-19 08:46
Re: You are mistaken.. 198 PB Bytes 10-May-19 14:14
Re: You are mistaken.. 184 eyeofhorus33 10-May-19 16:50
Re: You are mistaken.. 183 PB Bytes 10-May-19 16:53
Know thyself, 204 eyeofhorus33 10-May-19 22:15
Affirming the Greater Reality 197 PB Bytes 10-May-19 23:03
Wrong again! 203 eyeofhorus33 11-May-19 05:37
Mea Culpa for Matt 191 PB Bytes 11-May-19 18:57
Re: Virgin birth? 181 Eddie Larry 08-May-19 17:27
Cosmic Consciousness 205 Itatw70s 06-May-19 23:05
Re: Cosmic Consciousness 173 PB Bytes 07-May-19 02:38
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 191 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 00:36
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 174 PB Bytes 05-May-19 22:50
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 179 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 22:53
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 198 PB Bytes 05-May-19 23:20
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 185 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 00:02
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Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 178 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 00:31
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 180 PB Bytes 06-May-19 00:45
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 194 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 00:58
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 196 PB Bytes 06-May-19 01:03
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 203 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 02:38
Passive-aggressive noise. 184 PB Bytes 06-May-19 03:05
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 187 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 04:02
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 184 PB Bytes 06-May-19 04:33
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 184 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 05:18
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 181 Itatw70s 06-May-19 11:30
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 180 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 13:28
The Age of Pisces.... 209 Itatw70s 07-May-19 11:52
Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene 202 drrayeye 03-May-19 17:27
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 186 Eddie Larry 29-Apr-19 16:42
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 201 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 17:02
Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 200 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 17:09
Fantastic! 191 drrayeye 29-Apr-19 17:15
Re: Fantastic! 187 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 17:24
Re: Fantastic! 195 grangram 29-Apr-19 19:22
Re: Fantastic! 186 PB Bytes 30-Apr-19 03:51
Helen Bond and Joan Taylor (2018) St Pauls cathedral 195 grangram 30-Apr-19 06:38
Re: Helen Bond and Joan Taylor (2018) St Pauls cathedral 189 PB Bytes 30-Apr-19 15:15
Re: Helen Bond and Joan Taylor (2018) St Pauls cathedral 182 grangram 01-May-19 16:06
Re: Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 193 Susan Doris 30-Apr-19 09:51
Re: Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 193 PB Bytes 30-Apr-19 15:39
Re: Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 208 eyeofhorus33 02-May-19 08:22
Re: Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 192 PB Bytes 02-May-19 19:25
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 191 Eddie Larry 29-Apr-19 17:18
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 191 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 17:22
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 189 grangram 29-Apr-19 19:26
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 190 Itatw70s 30-Apr-19 11:46
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 198 Susan Doris 30-Apr-19 13:35
The Mother Goddess.... 206 Itatw70s 30-Apr-19 13:51
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 231 grangram 30-Apr-19 17:10
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 250 Itatw70s 30-Apr-19 17:49
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 270 Enigcom 01-May-19 16:14
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 268 Itatw70s 01-May-19 23:22


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