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Thanks for your response, Mark.

In respect of wanting to know a little more about Queen Hatshepsut's 'divine birth' relief, depicted at Deir-el-Bahri, here:

The "Nativity Scene" of Jesus' birth, as described in the Gospel according to Luke, also has its roots in much older, established Ancient Egyptian mythology. This is supported by actual temple reliefs and the scholarly opinions of various reputable Egyptologists, including - among others - Professor Barry J Kemp, Professor of Egyptology at Cambridge University in England.

In the temple of Amun at the site of Luxor in Egypt appears a series of scenes depicting the divine birth of the pharaoh of the 18th Dynasty (c. 1570-1293 BC), known variously as Amenhotep, Amenhotpe or Amenophis III, who reigned during the 14th century BC (c. 1390-c. 1352 BC). The Luxor nativity imagery represents a significant artifact as it serves to elucidate the idea that important pre-Christian religious motifs were later evidently incorporated into Christianity.
Egyptologist Dr. Samuel C Sharpe, in his book 'Egyptian Mythology and Egyptian Christianity' writes of the temple relief:

"We have the Annunciation, the Conception, the Birth, and the Adoration, as described in the First and Second Chapters of Luke's Gospel; and as we have historical assurance that the chapters in Matthew's Gospel which contain the Miraculous Birth of Jesus are an after addition not in the earliest manuscripts, it seems probable that these two poetical chapters in Luke may also be unhistorical, and be borrowed from the Egyptian accounts of the miraculous birth of their kings."

Annunciation: The first scene on the relief depicts the God Thoth, the Annunciator of the Gods, in the act of hailing the Virgin Queen, Mutemwia, and announcing to her that she is to give birth to a son, Amenhotep III - in the character of Horus, the divine child.

Immaculate Conception: In the next scene the god Kneph and the goddess Hathor hold crosses, the Egyptian Ankh as a sign of life, to the head and nostrils of Isis and mystically impregnate her.

The Birth of the Child-God: In the next scene we see the mother seated on the midwife's stool, and the child supported and lifted up by the hands of one of the nurses. Originally, the mother, Isis, sits on a midwife's stool, and the newly born infant, Horus, is held by attendants. With the development of the mythos, we find that here the mother, Queen Mutemwia, the mother of Amenhotep III, is seated on the midwife's stool and the new-born child is supported in the hands of one of the nurses.

The Adoration: The fourth scene is that of the Adoration. Here the child is enthroned and adored by the god Amun and three men kneeling behind Amun who offer gifts with their right hands – open, facing up - and eternal life with their left hands –symbolised by the Ankhs. Perhaps here, on the stone wall of a temple in Luxor, is the origin of the account of Jesus’ divine birth being attended by Magi who offer the infant god gifts.

In his analysis, Professor Barry J Kemp, current Professor of Egyptology at the University of Cambridge and Field Director of the excavations at el-Amarna by the Egypt Exploration Society includes the fourth scene of the Luxor cycle, under which he writes:

"An immaculate conception; the god Amun (upper right) impregnates Queen Mutemwia (upper left), wife of Tuthmosis IV and mother of the future god-king Amenhotep III. Beneath them sit the goddesses Selket (left) and Neith (right). A scene from the divine birth cycle at Luxor temple...” After H. Brunner, "Die Geburt des Gottskönigs", Wiesbaden, 1964

Thus, Professor Kemp's professional observation, based on his reading of Dr. Brunner, is that the Luxor scene represents "an immaculate conception" - the scholarly opinion of the current Professor of Egyptology at the prestigious Cambridge University, England.

Interestingly, the nativity scene at Luxor was not the first to have been created; similar depictions existed even earlier, concerning the birth of the female pharaoh Hatshepsut (15th century BC) in her temple at Deir el-Bahri.

In "A Guide to the Antiquities of Egypt", Sir Arthur EP Weigall (1880-1933), a director-general of Upper Egypt, Department of Antiquities, describes the scenes at Deir el-Bahari as the "Immaculate conception and birth of Queen Hatshepsut."

Also regarding Hatshepsut's birth cycle, in "Egyptian Temples" Egyptologist Dr. Margaret A Murray remarks, "...on the lower half of this [back] wall are scenes and inscriptions recording the immaculate conception and divine birth of the queen."

It really is fascinating stuff.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07-May-19 19:51 by eyeofhorus33.

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