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Mark,

I don't get nearly as far as you into these discussions with Eddie and Matt because I'd set the discussion up from a different foundation. I think nearly all of us agree that the historical Jesus is no more than a fragmented narrative that covered three years of his biological life. Some wouldn't even give us the three years.

Relying not only on those fragments, but other writings from the early Christian church, a council was formed to build a theologically coherent Christianity consistent with earlier pre Christ sources. Such a foundation almost demanded controversy--and we've had controversy ever since.

We believe in the virgin birth for theological reasons: with any other reasons we'd need a theological rewrite--and even more controversy. As things stand, it makes theological sense.

Ray

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Jesus' Female Disciples. 1854 grangram 28-Apr-19 07:27
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 285 Susan Doris 28-Apr-19 10:43
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 249 grangram 28-Apr-19 15:27
The Women Behind Every Great Man. 240 Itatw70s 29-Apr-19 22:58
Re: The Women Behind Every Great Man. 213 Susan Doris 30-Apr-19 09:40
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 260 PB Bytes 28-Apr-19 14:44
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 241 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 00:12
Further thoughts 228 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 14:09
Re: Further thoughts Female Saints 226 Eddie Larry 29-Apr-19 14:18
Re: Further thoughts Female Saints 238 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 14:29
Re: Further thoughts Female Saints 222 Eddie Larry 29-Apr-19 15:54
This, on Mary Magdalene 228 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 15:53
The Mauling of the Magdalene 239 eyeofhorus33 01-May-19 18:34
Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene 219 PB Bytes 02-May-19 18:40
Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene EDITED 245 eyeofhorus33 02-May-19 20:26
Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene EDITED 230 drrayeye 03-May-19 17:14
Amending the Apostles Creed... 224 PB Bytes 05-May-19 05:31
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 219 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 14:57
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 209 PB Bytes 05-May-19 15:17
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 208 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 17:53
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 199 PB Bytes 05-May-19 18:02
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 233 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 18:14
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 211 PB Bytes 05-May-19 18:26
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 200 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 19:10
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 227 PB Bytes 05-May-19 21:54
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 199 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 22:13
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 217 Itatw70s 05-May-19 22:50
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 225 PB Bytes 05-May-19 23:29
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 216 Itatw70s 05-May-19 23:56
Virgin birth? 238 eyeofhorus33 06-May-19 19:07
Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 217 PB Bytes 07-May-19 02:18
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 216 Susan Doris 07-May-19 05:25
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 224 PB Bytes 08-May-19 14:24
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 211 Susan Doris 08-May-19 15:21
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 204 PB Bytes 10-May-19 00:24
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 206 Susan Doris 10-May-19 05:18
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 208 PB Bytes 10-May-19 14:32
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 219 drrayeye 07-May-19 07:03
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 226 eyeofhorus33 07-May-19 19:39
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 217 drrayeye 07-May-19 21:27
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 217 eyeofhorus33 08-May-19 16:21
The formation of dogma in the Christian church 220 drrayeye 08-May-19 18:22
Micah: The formation of dogma in the Christian church 224 PB Bytes 09-May-19 17:17
Re: Micah: The formation of dogma in the Christian church 228 drrayeye 09-May-19 17:48
Re: Micah: The formation of dogma in the Christian church 208 PB Bytes 09-May-19 18:07
The Luminous Vision? 213 grangram 10-May-19 05:27
Re: The Luminous Vision? 217 PB Bytes 13-May-19 20:46
Re: The Luminous Vision? 244 PB Bytes 13-May-19 21:45
Re: The Luminous Vision? 209 grangram 22-May-19 06:11
IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 239 eyeofhorus33 07-May-19 19:48
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 232 PB Bytes 07-May-19 20:14
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 240 eyeofhorus33 07-May-19 21:10
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 218 PB Bytes 07-May-19 21:42
The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 213 Itatw70s 07-May-19 22:27
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 214 PB Bytes 07-May-19 22:54
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 230 Itatw70s 07-May-19 23:47
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 217 PB Bytes 08-May-19 00:30
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 201 Itatw70s 08-May-19 11:52
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 209 PB Bytes 08-May-19 14:27
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 210 Itatw70s 08-May-19 15:16
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 208 Eddie Larry 08-May-19 17:12
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 210 Itatw70s 08-May-19 18:51
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 223 Susan Doris 08-May-19 15:26
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 209 Itatw70s 08-May-19 18:53
The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 242 grangram 08-May-19 08:47
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 217 Susan Doris 08-May-19 11:43
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 220 PB Bytes 08-May-19 14:21
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 214 Susan Doris 08-May-19 15:33
No 209 drrayeye 08-May-19 18:37
Re: No 212 Itatw70s 08-May-19 22:20
Re: No 203 Susan Doris 09-May-19 05:41
Re: No 215 Itatw70s 09-May-19 11:33
Re: No 210 Susan Doris 09-May-19 05:32
Re: No 225 drrayeye 09-May-19 06:30
Re: No 216 Susan Doris 09-May-19 12:35
Re: No 201 Eddie Larry 09-May-19 14:17
Re: No 201 Susan Doris 09-May-19 15:30
Re: No 204 Eddie Larry 09-May-19 20:43
Re: Nowhere near the final exegesis of the mind. 219 Itatw70s 09-May-19 23:06
Going around in circles 216 drrayeye 09-May-19 16:00
Re: Going around in circles 206 Itatw70s 09-May-19 16:24
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 213 PB Bytes 10-May-19 00:15
Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 224 PB Bytes 08-May-19 14:29
As above, so below.... 298 PB Bytes 08-May-19 20:56
thanks 200 grangram 09-May-19 08:14
Re: thanks 206 PB Bytes 09-May-19 14:02
yeah 206 grangram 09-May-19 15:49
Catholic-universal? 201 PB Bytes 13-May-19 20:07
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 220 PB Bytes 07-May-19 22:47
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 209 Susan Doris 08-May-19 07:32
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 200 Susan Doris 08-May-19 05:39
Re: IVF is not divinely created biblical 'virgin birth' 216 eyeofhorus33 08-May-19 22:04
Problem is 203 drrayeye 09-May-19 07:55
"Bible worthless as history" 213 eyeofhorus33 09-May-19 10:50
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 202 drrayeye 09-May-19 13:18
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 212 Susan Doris 09-May-19 14:09
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 192 Eddie Larry 09-May-19 14:23
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 194 Susan Doris 09-May-19 16:05
Re: "Bible worthless as history" 197 Eddie Larry 09-May-19 20:53
a little strong 208 drrayeye 09-May-19 17:00
Jesus' Female Disciples. 194 grangram 10-May-19 05:14
Here we go again... 206 PB Bytes 09-May-19 16:31
Re: Here we go again... 206 Susan Doris 09-May-19 17:12
First, 204 drrayeye 09-May-19 18:26
Re: First, 205 Susan Doris 10-May-19 05:39
Academic thinking 214 drrayeye 09-May-19 18:14
Re: Academic thinking 200 PB Bytes 09-May-19 19:12
Tolstoy thinking 208 PB Bytes 12-May-19 13:12
David Rohl Lectures 215 grangram 15-May-19 12:52
Rohl's Revised Chronology 218 eyeofhorus33 18-May-19 17:42
Re: Rohl's Revised Chronology 198 grangram 19-May-19 04:43
Re: Rohl's Revised Chronology 204 eyeofhorus33 19-May-19 14:36
Re: Rohl's Revised Chronology 208 grangram 21-May-19 07:26
Thank you 225 eyeofhorus33 21-May-19 21:02
Re: Thank you 203 PB Bytes 22-May-19 02:02
Indeed 213 eyeofhorus33 22-May-19 17:19
Psuedo intellectual dishonesty 200 PB Bytes 22-May-19 18:21
Re: Psuedo intellectual dishonesty 206 eyeofhorus33 22-May-19 18:53
Re: Psuedo intellectual dishonesty 186 PB Bytes 22-May-19 19:12
Speechless (with an edited to add comment) 231 eyeofhorus33 22-May-19 19:19
Re: Speechless (with an edited to add comment--ooh, I'm sooo scared) 207 PB Bytes 22-May-19 20:10
Re: Speechless (with an edited to add comment--ooh, I'm sooo scared) 233 eyeofhorus33 22-May-19 20:33
Thornborough, Giza & Orion Shining Above-Below 215 grangram 23-May-19 10:02
Re: Thornborough, Giza & Orion Shining Above-Below 200 PB Bytes 23-May-19 14:27
Jason Colavito 198 drrayeye 23-May-19 17:59
Re: Jason Calovito 187 PB Bytes 23-May-19 18:09
Re: Jason Colavito 194 drrayeye 23-May-19 23:58
Can't even spell his name correctly (n/t) 217 eyeofhorus33 24-May-19 14:00
corrected 190 drrayeye 24-May-19 15:37
Re: Jason Colavito part One 197 PB Bytes 24-May-19 15:37
Re: Jason Colavito part One 196 drrayeye 24-May-19 16:18
Re: Jason Colavito part Four - on Hancock re Rogan and Magicians of the Gods 215 PB Bytes 24-May-19 22:46
It's Jason's debunkatron POV 203 drrayeye 25-May-19 18:53
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 194 PB Bytes 25-May-19 19:26
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 196 PB Bytes 26-May-19 00:57
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 191 Susan Doris 26-May-19 07:47
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 190 PB Bytes 26-May-19 15:49
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 197 drrayeye 26-May-19 10:56
One's path... 192 PB Bytes 26-May-19 16:52
Re: It's Jason's debunkatron POV 212 Susan Doris 26-May-19 07:33
As long as we suppose 324 drrayeye 26-May-19 21:47
Re: Jason Colavito part Two - on Shermer re Rogan and Magicians of the Gods 191 PB Bytes 24-May-19 16:43
You had me at hello 184 drrayeye 24-May-19 16:57
Re: Jason Colavito part Three - on Shermer re Rogan and Magicians of the Gods 191 PB Bytes 24-May-19 17:41
Links 212 eyeofhorus33 23-May-19 17:01
Egyptian Genesis 207 grangram 22-May-19 06:49
Bayesian carbon 14 dating video--comments 194 drrayeye 22-May-19 21:54
Patterns of evidence 204 drrayeye 20-May-19 13:48
Not yet Ray 230 eyeofhorus33 20-May-19 19:52
Re: Here we go again... 225 eyeofhorus33 09-May-19 21:19
Re: Here we go again... 229 PB Bytes 09-May-19 22:48
Re: Here we go again... 214 Susan Doris 10-May-19 05:50
Re: Here we go again... 199 PB Bytes 10-May-19 16:56
You are mistaken.. 212 eyeofhorus33 10-May-19 08:46
Re: You are mistaken.. 218 PB Bytes 10-May-19 14:14
Re: You are mistaken.. 210 eyeofhorus33 10-May-19 16:50
Re: You are mistaken.. 206 PB Bytes 10-May-19 16:53
Know thyself, 226 eyeofhorus33 10-May-19 22:15
Affirming the Greater Reality 219 PB Bytes 10-May-19 23:03
Wrong again! 226 eyeofhorus33 11-May-19 05:37
Mea Culpa for Matt 211 PB Bytes 11-May-19 18:57
Re: Virgin birth? 202 Eddie Larry 08-May-19 17:27
Cosmic Consciousness 224 Itatw70s 06-May-19 23:05
Re: Cosmic Consciousness 191 PB Bytes 07-May-19 02:38
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 210 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 00:36
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 195 PB Bytes 05-May-19 22:50
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 199 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 22:53
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 218 PB Bytes 05-May-19 23:20
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 208 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 00:02
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 206 PB Bytes 06-May-19 00:19
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 199 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 00:31
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 203 PB Bytes 06-May-19 00:45
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 217 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 00:58
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 219 PB Bytes 06-May-19 01:03
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 223 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 02:38
Passive-aggressive noise. 205 PB Bytes 06-May-19 03:05
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 208 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 04:02
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 203 PB Bytes 06-May-19 04:33
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 206 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 05:18
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 202 Itatw70s 06-May-19 11:30
Re: Passive-aggressive noise. 202 Eddie Larry 06-May-19 13:28
The Age of Pisces.... 228 Itatw70s 07-May-19 11:52
Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene 223 drrayeye 03-May-19 17:27
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 207 Eddie Larry 29-Apr-19 16:42
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 224 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 17:02
Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 223 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 17:09
Fantastic! 209 drrayeye 29-Apr-19 17:15
Re: Fantastic! 207 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 17:24
Re: Fantastic! 215 grangram 29-Apr-19 19:22
Re: Fantastic! 209 PB Bytes 30-Apr-19 03:51
Helen Bond and Joan Taylor (2018) St Pauls cathedral 214 grangram 30-Apr-19 06:38
Re: Helen Bond and Joan Taylor (2018) St Pauls cathedral 226 PB Bytes 30-Apr-19 15:15
Re: Helen Bond and Joan Taylor (2018) St Pauls cathedral 201 grangram 01-May-19 16:06
Re: Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 213 Susan Doris 30-Apr-19 09:51
Re: Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 215 PB Bytes 30-Apr-19 15:39
Re: Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 231 eyeofhorus33 02-May-19 08:22
Re: Taking Action: Jesus' Female Disciples. 213 PB Bytes 02-May-19 19:25
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 211 Eddie Larry 29-Apr-19 17:18
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 211 PB Bytes 29-Apr-19 17:22
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 211 grangram 29-Apr-19 19:26
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 210 Itatw70s 30-Apr-19 11:46
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 221 Susan Doris 30-Apr-19 13:35
The Mother Goddess.... 227 Itatw70s 30-Apr-19 13:51
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 254 grangram 30-Apr-19 17:10
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 268 Itatw70s 30-Apr-19 17:49
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 291 Enigcom 01-May-19 16:14
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 286 Itatw70s 01-May-19 23:22


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