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Okay, I just wanted to be clear.

So let us remove all of the Germans who only fought because they were conscripted, and zero in on those who offered up their lives for what we both agree, I think , was a false patriarchal ideology.

This subgroup would have been, presumably been like the early Christians, who were non conscripted believers in another ideology.

My first point is that there is no incentive for such devotees to reinvent a party line that they would be willing to die for, according to our agreed upon definition. As such, it makes no sense to me that you can suggest that these martyrs would be willing to cover up the existence of a presumed Wife of God or Children of God. If their purpose was to propagate and, if necessary, die for the "truth" narrative, of the Messiahs life, they surely would have mentioned such things, and all concerned parties, keenly attentive followers, would have known if Jesus was married and had children. Conversely, such devoted personalities would not have tolerated any fictional reinventions of their Master's life.

Now to my second thought. You seem to be saying that you believe that the gospels are 'false patriarchal' narratives, in making this comparison. Yet I understand you to be Unitarian Christian. How do you reconcile this apparent paradox? What do you believe, Eddie!?

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Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 263 Susan Doris 28-Apr-19 10:43
Re: Jesus' Female Disciples. 231 grangram 28-Apr-19 15:27
The Women Behind Every Great Man. 221 Itatw70s 29-Apr-19 22:58
Re: The Women Behind Every Great Man. 192 Susan Doris 30-Apr-19 09:40
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Re: Further thoughts Female Saints 202 Eddie Larry 29-Apr-19 15:54
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The Mauling of the Magdalene 216 eyeofhorus33 01-May-19 18:34
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Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene EDITED 221 eyeofhorus33 02-May-19 20:26
Re: The Mauling of the Magdalene EDITED 211 drrayeye 03-May-19 17:14
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Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 200 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 14:57
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Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 180 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 19:10
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 205 PB Bytes 05-May-19 21:54
Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 176 Eddie Larry 05-May-19 22:13
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Re: Amending the Apostles Creed... 198 Itatw70s 05-May-19 23:56
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Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 198 drrayeye 07-May-19 07:03
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 202 eyeofhorus33 07-May-19 19:39
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 198 drrayeye 07-May-19 21:27
Re: Regarding the MYTH of the 'Virgin birth myth' 193 eyeofhorus33 08-May-19 16:21
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Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 187 Eddie Larry 08-May-19 17:12
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 189 Itatw70s 08-May-19 18:51
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 202 Susan Doris 08-May-19 15:26
Re: The birth of Christianity. Based upon mythology and neccessity in the Roman Empire. 188 Itatw70s 08-May-19 18:53
The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 222 grangram 08-May-19 08:47
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Re: The spirit is not born of woman. But it is the life force in both men and women? 197 Susan Doris 08-May-19 15:33
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Re: No 194 Itatw70s 08-May-19 22:20
Re: No 181 Susan Doris 09-May-19 05:41
Re: No 192 Itatw70s 09-May-19 11:33
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Re: No 183 Eddie Larry 09-May-19 20:43
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