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Hi Susan

You make an entirely valid comment regarding there being no objective proof, but such thinking undermines the secular atheist position,
What is this 'secular atheism' of which you speak?! Why and how do you think it (whatever it is) has a 'position'?
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and then some, because this school proposes a superior purely materialtic primal cause.
Link or citation please.
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Secular atheism can't extricate itself from the BELIEF in the Big Accident Theory.
When you have shown what 'secular atheism ' is, I hope you will be able to say where you have seen that it is involved with a 'belief' in the 'big accident Theory;. There may be individual atheists who have all sorts of beliefs and involvement with many things, but atheism is, as has been mentioned quite often, a lack of belief in any god.
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The problem, which is why this branch of atheism
Where do you get this idea of many 'branches' of atheism from?
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is destined to be highly limited in influence, in my opinion, (beyond the fact that most don't believe in the Big Accident) , is that proponents of secular atheism try to sell that belief as scientific!
Citation definitely required here.
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The means through which they often try to achieve this is self defeating our modern age: ignoring all testimonals that don't fit, making skewed presentations about related ideas, basically trying to control mainstream institutions like academia where they hope to mold minds according to their ideology, most often through indirect means, as expressing their core BELIEFS in such environments instantly levels the playing field between teacher and student.
If those with entirely faith beliefs do not like to be challenged - which is what I think that section of your post seems to be indicating - then, well, a fact would be useful!!
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I presume this is done because those running the show sense the disconnect that goes with saying, "I'm all about objective evidence, and as a scientist I declare that the universe is the result of a Big Accident." A lot of luster is lost with that admission.
You seem to think that people who look for objective evidence to say something is as true as it can be must be closed to all philosophical thought, and, perhaps, all the aspects of aesthetics which is an essential and important part of every human being, whereas in my opinion, I think those who know that all such aesthetic aspects of human nature have evolved and are therefore part of nature, and are emergent properties of the brain, can appreciate and value them in a clearer way than those who include some kind of supernatural input.
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By contrast, other atheists and most of those who believe in creation feel no burden to SELL themselves as scholars or "rationalists" as those in this school often try to.
You are now talking about 'schools' of atheism; why? See previous comment re lack of belief.
If people who happen to be atheists group together to lobby for something, for an idea, or to challenge areas of fiction put forward as fact, well, that is a personal choice. there is no group leader telling them to do so, or what to think or believe, the way that religious organisations do.
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In the long run I suspect that other schools of atheism have a much better chance of enduring, namely ones that don't believe in various definitions of God, skepticism towards psy-related matters, rather than a (secular) denunciation of ALL such in the name of materialism, etc.
I'm not going to attempt to comment on that section!
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Stay well, PB
thank you - after a double dose of antibiotics, I think I've recovered from chest infections.

susan

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Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 1231 drrayeye 17-Apr-19 20:10
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 248 Nolondil 17-Apr-19 21:08
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 199 drrayeye 17-Apr-19 21:49
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 186 Susan Doris 18-Apr-19 16:30
Where are the practicing atheists in the West 182 drrayeye 18-Apr-19 18:44
Re: Where are the practicing atheists in the West 189 Nolondil 19-Apr-19 00:28
Re: Where are the practicing atheists in the West 196 drrayeye 19-Apr-19 04:23
Re: Where are the practicing atheists in the West 180 Susan Doris 19-Apr-19 05:42
Re: Where are the practicing atheists in the West 178 drrayeye 19-Apr-19 12:28
Re: Where are the practicing atheists in the West 181 Susan Doris 20-Apr-19 04:54
Re: Where are the practicing atheists in the West 168 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 07:59
Re: Where are the practicing atheists in the West 164 Susan Doris 20-Apr-19 13:49
Re: Where are the practicing atheists in the West 162 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 14:17
Re: Where are the practicing atheists in the West 165 Susan Doris 20-Apr-19 16:43
In other words 161 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 17:11
Re: In other words 172 PB Bytes 20-Apr-19 17:42
Re: In other words 159 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-19 18:23
Re: In other words 167 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 18:40
Re: In other words 168 PB Bytes 20-Apr-19 19:39
Re: In other words 162 Itatw70s 20-Apr-19 21:50
Re: In other words 162 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 23:39
Re: In other words 158 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 06:14
Real atheists 159 drrayeye 27-Apr-19 05:55
Re: Real atheists 162 Susan Doris 27-Apr-19 10:31
Re: Real atheists 144 drrayeye 27-Apr-19 17:05
Re: In other words 165 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 06:07
Re: In other words 160 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 06:16
Re: In other words 170 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 06:20
Re: In other words 163 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 06:27
Re: In other words 157 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 07:43
Re: In other words 165 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 04:51
Re: In other words 161 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 06:21
Re: In other words 164 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 07:50
Re: In other words 165 Itatw70s 24-Apr-19 23:41
Re: In other words 159 drrayeye 25-Apr-19 00:33
Re: In other words 166 Susan Doris 25-Apr-19 04:56
Re: In other words 158 Itatw70s 25-Apr-19 22:40
Re: In other words 163 Susan Doris 26-Apr-19 05:28
Re: In other words 160 Itatw70s 26-Apr-19 12:55
Re: In other words 156 Eddie Larry 26-Apr-19 16:19
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 203 eyeofhorus33 17-Apr-19 21:48
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 178 drrayeye 17-Apr-19 22:00
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 184 Itatw70s 18-Apr-19 00:03
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 177 drrayeye 18-Apr-19 00:40
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 174 Susan Doris 18-Apr-19 16:37
Beyond a response to the topic 176 drrayeye 18-Apr-19 17:04
Atheism was forbidden throughout much of history but it quietly co-existed and outlives the long-dead gods. 180 drrayeye 18-Apr-19 17:45
Re: Atheism was forbidden throughout much of history but it quietly co-existed and outlives the long-dead gods. 176 Susan Doris 19-Apr-19 05:50
Lots of evidence for historical, philosophical atheism Ray 166 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-19 07:41
Re: Lots of evidence for historical, philosophical atheism Ray 168 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 07:54
Good for you 162 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 11:08
Re: Good for you 158 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 12:51
Evangelistic atheism 166 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 15:11
Re: Evangelistic atheism 162 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 17:35
The pagan origins of Easter 167 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-19 17:44
We're not pagans any more 161 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 19:15
Erm ... 174 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-19 21:24
Re: Erm ... 159 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 22:17
Re: Erm ... 162 Itatw70s 21-Apr-19 23:09
Spirituality of supposed pagans 165 drrayeye 22-Apr-19 00:01
Re: Spirituality of supposed pagans 163 Itatw70s 22-Apr-19 00:09
Re: Spirituality of supposed pagans 170 Susan Doris 22-Apr-19 07:41
Re: We're not pagans any more 156 Itatw70s 25-Apr-19 00:25
Defining atheism 174 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-19 17:33
Re: Defining atheism 165 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 19:18
Re: Defining atheism 165 Itatw70s 25-Apr-19 22:52
Why Shdeldrake? 154 drrayeye 26-Apr-19 03:30
Re: Why Shdeldrake? 154 Itatw70s 26-Apr-19 13:52
Re: Why Shdeldrake? 164 drrayeye 26-Apr-19 16:47
Re: Why Shdeldrake? 154 Itatw70s 26-Apr-19 18:29
Re: Why Not Shdeldrake? 155 Itatw70s 27-Apr-19 00:33
Re: Why Not Shdeldrake? 158 drrayeye 27-Apr-19 01:12
Re: Why Not Shdeldrake? 161 Itatw70s 27-Apr-19 18:48
Re: Why Not Shdeldrake? Ray, personal message. 165 Itatw70s 28-Apr-19 00:01
Re: Why Not Shdeldrake? Ray, personal message. 160 drrayeye 28-Apr-19 05:48
Re: Why Not Shdeldrake? Ray, personal message. 156 Itatw70s 28-Apr-19 16:18
Re: Why Not Shdeldrake? Ray, personal message. 150 drrayeye 28-Apr-19 22:27
Re: Why Not Shdeldrake? Ray, personal message. 159 Itatw70s 28-Apr-19 23:48
I'm a dualist 152 drrayeye 29-Apr-19 05:48
Re: I'm a dualist 258 Itatw70s 29-Apr-19 11:50
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 172 PB Bytes 20-Apr-19 16:08
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 165 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-19 20:39
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 160 Itatw70s 20-Apr-19 22:00
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 158 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-19 22:06
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 161 Itatw70s 20-Apr-19 22:40
The Jesus narrative 167 PB Bytes 21-Apr-19 15:57
Re: The Jesus narrative 162 Eddie Larry 21-Apr-19 16:38
Re: The Jesus narrative 164 PB Bytes 21-Apr-19 19:47
Re: The Jesus narrative 154 Eddie Larry 21-Apr-19 19:56
Re: The Jesus narrative 164 PB Bytes 21-Apr-19 20:38
It isn't unique 182 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-19 19:16
again 168 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 19:24
Yes and no, Ray 183 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-19 19:41
Re: Yes and no, Ray 157 PB Bytes 21-Apr-19 19:57
Re: Yes and no, Ray 167 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 21:46
Re: Yes and no, Ray 160 Eddie Larry 22-Apr-19 01:18
Re: It isn't unique 159 PB Bytes 21-Apr-19 19:52
Re: The Jesus narrative 161 Itatw70s 21-Apr-19 20:01
Re: The Jesus narrative 158 PB Bytes 21-Apr-19 20:35
Re: The Jesus narrative 158 Itatw70s 21-Apr-19 21:13
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? - No 177 Eddie Larry 18-Apr-19 15:03
Read the OP 172 drrayeye 18-Apr-19 15:20
Re: Read the OP 180 Eddie Larry 18-Apr-19 16:18
The evidence and the claim 179 drrayeye 18-Apr-19 16:52
Re: The evidence and the claim 176 Itatw70s 18-Apr-19 23:30
Re: Ethnic distinctions 178 Nolondil 19-Apr-19 00:24
Re: Ethnic distinctions 182 Itatw70s 19-Apr-19 16:36
The blue spheres? 175 grangram 19-Apr-19 10:31
The conversation is different 170 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 23:54
Re: The conversation is different 170 Eddie Larry 21-Apr-19 04:04
In my experience 174 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 06:25
Re: In mhy experience 164 Eddie Larry 21-Apr-19 14:52
Re: In my experience 152 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 15:26
Re: In my experience 149 Eddie Larry 21-Apr-19 16:43
no consternation 159 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 19:30
Re: no consternation 154 Itatw70s 21-Apr-19 22:32
Purpose of this thread 164 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 23:54
Re: Purpose of this thread 167 Susan Doris 22-Apr-19 07:07
Rupert's suggestion 163 drrayeye 22-Apr-19 11:50
Re: Rupert's suggestion 152 Susan Doris 22-Apr-19 14:25
Not quite 158 drrayeye 22-Apr-19 16:04
Re: Not quite 160 Susan Doris 22-Apr-19 18:38
self fulfilling prophecies 163 drrayeye 22-Apr-19 23:34
Re: Purpose of this thread 160 Nolondil 22-Apr-19 18:42
Re: Purpose of this thread 162 drrayeye 22-Apr-19 23:30
Rupert's suggestions 162 Itatw70s 25-Apr-19 23:09
That's not what I asked 152 drrayeye 26-Apr-19 03:25
Re: That's not what I asked 165 Itatw70s 26-Apr-19 14:16
Re: That's not what I asked 156 Susan Doris 26-Apr-19 14:57
Re: That's not what I asked 149 Itatw70s 26-Apr-19 17:01
Real atheists 150 drrayeye 26-Apr-19 22:57
Re: Real atheists 154 Susan Doris 27-Apr-19 05:08
There must be 50 ways 153 drrayeye 27-Apr-19 06:40
Re: There must be 50 ways 157 Susan Doris 27-Apr-19 10:35
Re: That's not what I asked 156 drrayeye 26-Apr-19 16:51
Re: no consternation 166 Eddie Larry 22-Apr-19 23:36
Re: no consternation 155 Susan Doris 23-Apr-19 05:15
Re: no consternation 155 drrayeye 23-Apr-19 12:33
Re: no consternation 154 Susan Doris 23-Apr-19 15:56
My mother 156 drrayeye 23-Apr-19 19:04
Re: My mother 159 Eddie Larry 23-Apr-19 20:33
Re: My mother 164 drrayeye 23-Apr-19 21:10
Re: My mother 158 Eddie Larry 23-Apr-19 21:27
Re: My mother 150 drrayeye 24-Apr-19 05:58
'Objective" to a scientist 150 drrayeye 24-Apr-19 10:34
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 156 Susan Doris 24-Apr-19 15:51
Was for Eddie 162 drrayeye 24-Apr-19 18:54
Re: Was for Eddie 153 Susan Doris 25-Apr-19 05:10
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 170 Eddie Larry 24-Apr-19 19:55
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 157 drrayeye 25-Apr-19 00:14
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 150 Eddie Larry 25-Apr-19 02:12
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 158 Susan Doris 25-Apr-19 05:18
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 158 greengirl5 25-Apr-19 13:33
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 153 Susan Doris 25-Apr-19 13:48
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 147 greengirl5 26-Apr-19 06:44
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 152 Susan Doris 26-Apr-19 07:03
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 151 greengirl5 26-Apr-19 13:19
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 151 Susan Doris 26-Apr-19 15:09
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 155 PB Bytes 26-Apr-19 16:18
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 149 Susan Doris 26-Apr-19 17:26
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 166 PB Bytes 26-Apr-19 18:43
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 164 Susan Doris 26-Apr-19 16:29
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 157 PB Bytes 26-Apr-19 16:59
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 155 Susan Doris 27-Apr-19 12:38
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 155 PB Bytes 27-Apr-19 13:53
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 144 Eddie Larry 27-Apr-19 14:00
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 153 PB Bytes 27-Apr-19 14:21
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 146 Susan Doris 27-Apr-19 16:46
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 151 Susan Doris 27-Apr-19 17:16
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 153 PB Bytes 27-Apr-19 19:37
Re: 'Objective" to a scientist 154 PB Bytes 27-Apr-19 18:50
This off topic line of thinking 154 drrayeye 26-Apr-19 17:17
Re: This off topic line of thinking 151 Susan Doris 26-Apr-19 17:50
lack of belief in a god 147 greengirl5 26-Apr-19 22:57
Einstein and God 151 greengirl5 26-Apr-19 22:45
Where did it go? - Re: Einstein and God 153 greengirl5 27-Apr-19 08:54
Re: My mother 154 Susan Doris 24-Apr-19 05:11
Re: My mother 162 Eddie Larry 25-Apr-19 02:18
Defending science on the science board 155 drrayeye 23-Apr-19 06:46
Re: In my experience 183 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 17:48
Re: In my experience 170 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-19 18:14
Re: In my experience 167 Itatw70s 21-Apr-19 18:34
No idea what you are talking about 169 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-19 19:24
Re: No idea what you are talking about 164 Itatw70s 21-Apr-19 19:51
My Christian way 161 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 19:37
Your Christian way 175 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-19 21:05
Re: Your Christian way 157 Itatw70s 21-Apr-19 21:42
Re: Your Christian way 169 Susan Doris 22-Apr-19 08:50
Re: Your Christian way 154 greengirl5 25-Apr-19 13:30
Re: Your Christian way 154 Susan Doris 25-Apr-19 13:51
Re: Your Christian way 147 greengirl5 25-Apr-19 22:37
An honest answer 173 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 22:44
Re: An honest answer 160 Susan Doris 22-Apr-19 09:10
Easter eggs 160 greengirl5 23-Apr-19 15:20
Re: Easter eggs 167 Eddie Larry 23-Apr-19 15:33
Re: Easter eggs 158 greengirl5 23-Apr-19 22:34
Re: Easter eggs 162 Eddie Larry 23-Apr-19 22:43
In other words ... 195 eyeofhorus33 22-Apr-19 18:53
Maybe 171 drrayeye 22-Apr-19 23:19
Re: Maybe 182 Susan Doris 23-Apr-19 05:03
Re: Maybe 154 drrayeye 25-Apr-19 13:53
Re: Maybe 158 Susan Doris 25-Apr-19 15:05
What this thread has been about 171 drrayeye 25-Apr-19 17:00
Re: What this thread has been about 174 Susan Doris 25-Apr-19 17:22
Yes - ! Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 229 greengirl5 25-Apr-19 00:17
Re: Are we entering into a post atheistic Age? 173 Susan Doris 26-Apr-19 06:06


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