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My "filter" in listening to Rupert is the filter of the American scientist.
Yes, I accept that when you are dealing strictly with science, the filter of faith belief is left out, but you always have the filter of a faith belief when you are listening to such a talk.
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My experiences talking (or rather not talking) about religion to fellow scientists was radically different from Rupert's described experiences.

Listening to Rupert was the first time I realized this.

The reason I don't consider you a very good atheist is that you are such an uninformed atheist--both in terms of philosophy and science.
and what you keep forgetting is that the only thing atheists have in common is a lack of belief in anything supernatural. Otherwise we have our individual lives' education, likes, dislikes, pleasures, pains, and character traits. I have never professed to have studied philosophy so I do not make pronouncements on it, but I have read as widely as I can about facts in science and check such facts if quoting them.
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The real atheists
You really must stop using that phrase until you have devined what a real atheist is.
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have contributed greatly to spiritual discussions within scientific discussions--even Dawkins.
Discussions on non-objective subjects amongst scientists will, of course, include many opinions which would come under the general heading of spiritual, but before you use that word as you have here, it needs a defionition. Scientists in the physics, chemistry, biology and associated fields are far more likely to maintain objectivity and clarity if they do not have a 100% faith belief.

[quote[] To understand how I come to that impression, you really need to listen to Rupert. [/quote]
You mean your very biased impression of Sheldrake's talk, don't you?
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But you won't.[
I steeled myself and gritted my teeth and bravely clicked on the link. Guess what? As expected, I heard a totally cherry-picked version of atheism, with so much needing challenge, i.e. more or less every sentence!!! I plodded on but gave up when he got to sufi-ism and this was not long after he was talking about 'understanding divine consciousness'.

There is certainly consciousness, and it is being more and more understood, but there is no divine , at least not in the sense he was using the term. People used to say things like, 'Oh, that dress is absolutely divine!' and he certainly didn't mean that!

Susan

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The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 1215 Phanes 07-Apr-19 13:55
Mod Note > Topic Moved 187 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-19 22:27
Re: The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 209 Enigcom 09-Apr-19 21:09
Re: The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 197 Phanes 13-Apr-19 06:13
Re: The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 247 Susan Doris 10-Apr-19 05:10
Re: The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 193 Enigcom 11-Apr-19 14:34
give James some credit 200 drrayeye 11-Apr-19 18:35
Sheldrake is mistaken, it seems ... 215 eyeofhorus33 11-Apr-19 21:05
Listen to his report (toward the end) 186 drrayeye 11-Apr-19 23:05
Re: give James some credit 173 Susan Doris 12-Apr-19 05:22
Re: give James some credit 175 Susan Doris 12-Apr-19 12:10
Re: give James some credit 176 PB Bytes 12-Apr-19 15:40
Re: give James some credit 171 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-19 17:00
Re: give James some credit 170 drrayeye 12-Apr-19 17:23
Re: give James some credit 187 Eddie Larry 12-Apr-19 18:48
Re: give James some credit 169 drrayeye 12-Apr-19 23:49
Re: give James some credit 176 Eddie Larry 13-Apr-19 01:21
Re: give James some credit 179 Susan Doris 13-Apr-19 05:36
A simpler response 189 eyeofhorus33 13-Apr-19 07:00
Too simple 176 drrayeye 13-Apr-19 13:06
Re: A simpler response 169 PB Bytes 13-Apr-19 16:39
Re: give James some credit 168 PB Bytes 13-Apr-19 14:39
Re: give James some credit 171 Susan Doris 13-Apr-19 14:54
Re: give James some credit 161 PB Bytes 13-Apr-19 15:01
Re: give James some credit 165 Susan Doris 13-Apr-19 17:03
Re: give James some credit 168 PB Bytes 13-Apr-19 17:09
Rupert 182 drrayeye 12-Apr-19 17:11
Re: Rupert 163 Susan Doris 13-Apr-19 14:46
Re: Rupert 171 drrayeye 13-Apr-19 17:12
Re: Rupert 159 Susan Doris 14-Apr-19 05:52
Re: Rupert 167 drrayeye 14-Apr-19 07:34
Re: Rupert 159 Susan Doris 14-Apr-19 09:35
Re: Rupert 159 Susan Doris 14-Apr-19 12:18
Re: Rupert 158 drrayeye 15-Apr-19 04:16
Re: Rupert 165 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-19 05:00
Re: Rupert 156 drrayeye 15-Apr-19 06:18
Re: Rupert 165 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-19 16:59
Entering 165 drrayeye 15-Apr-19 17:43
Re: Entering 159 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-19 18:14
Just a dangling conversation 163 drrayeye 15-Apr-19 18:45
Re: Just a dangling conversation 170 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-19 22:42
Re: Rupert 178 Susan Doris 16-Apr-19 04:57
Strong opinions 158 greengirl5 16-Apr-19 22:36
Re: Strong opinions 166 Eddie Larry 17-Apr-19 01:12
Re: give James some credit 182 Enigcom 12-Apr-19 23:37
Re: give James some credit 174 Susan Doris 13-Apr-19 13:15
Re: give James some credit 194 Naveen 13-Apr-19 20:52
Re: give James some credit 170 Susan Doris 14-Apr-19 05:56
Re: give James some credit 213 Naveen 14-Apr-19 11:02
Re: give James some credit 175 Enigcom 14-Apr-19 16:32
Re: give James some credit 188 Itatw70s 16-Apr-19 01:23
Re: give James some credit 174 Susan Doris 17-Apr-19 05:21
Re: give James some credit 174 Itatw70s 18-Apr-19 01:06
Re: give James some credit 157 Enigcom 20-Apr-19 12:57
Re: give James some credit 159 Susan Doris 20-Apr-19 13:46
Re: give James some credit 171 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 14:03
Re: give James some credit 159 Susan Doris 20-Apr-19 16:57
You can say 157 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 17:03
Re: give James some credit 150 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 13:48
Re: give James some credit 171 Susan Doris 20-Apr-19 17:02
It's not meaningless to me 158 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 17:09
The difference 165 greengirl5 20-Apr-19 22:16
Supernatural versus superstition 149 greengirl5 20-Apr-19 22:18
Re: Supernatural versus superstition 146 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 07:36
Re: It's not meaningless to me 157 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 07:27
This very issue 153 drrayeye 21-Apr-19 11:14
Re: This very issue 158 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 12:57
Re: This very issue 260 greengirl5 21-Apr-19 22:27


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