Yes, I accept that when you are dealing strictly with science, the filter of faith belief is left out, but you always have the filter of a faith belief when you are listening to such a talk.Quote
My "filter" in listening to Rupert is the filter of the American scientist.
and what you keep forgetting is that the only thing atheists have in common is a lack of belief in anything supernatural. Otherwise we have our individual lives' education, likes, dislikes, pleasures, pains, and character traits. I have never professed to have studied philosophy so I do not make pronouncements on it, but I have read as widely as I can about facts in science and check such facts if quoting them.Quote
My experiences talking (or rather not talking) about religion to fellow scientists was radically different from Rupert's described experiences.
Listening to Rupert was the first time I realized this.
The reason I don't consider you a very good atheist is that you are such an uninformed atheist--both in terms of philosophy and science.
You really must stop using that phrase until you have devined what a real atheist is.Quote
The real atheists
Discussions on non-objective subjects amongst scientists will, of course, include many opinions which would come under the general heading of spiritual, but before you use that word as you have here, it needs a defionition. Scientists in the physics, chemistry, biology and associated fields are far more likely to maintain objectivity and clarity if they do not have a 100% faith belief.Quote
have contributed greatly to spiritual discussions within scientific discussions--even Dawkins.
[quote To understand how I come to that impression, you really need to listen to Rupert. [/quote]
You mean your very biased impression of Sheldrake's talk, don't you?
I steeled myself and gritted my teeth and bravely clicked on the link. Guess what? As expected, I heard a totally cherry-picked version of atheism, with so much needing challenge, i.e. more or less every sentence!!! I plodded on but gave up when he got to sufi-ism and this was not long after he was talking about 'understanding divine consciousness'.Quote
But you won't.[
There is certainly consciousness, and it is being more and more understood, but there is no divine , at least not in the sense he was using the term. People used to say things like, 'Oh, that dress is absolutely divine!' and he certainly didn't mean that!