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In the autobiographical narrative I linked, Rupert shows himself early on to be a much more solid atheist than you were in your early years.
How is that relevant? In my early years, I was in fact a firm believer in God; not the myths and stories in the bible which my parents were quite firm about were not supposed to be taken litrally, but were stories to help children grow up with good standards, etc. during my twenties and thirties, having come into contact with a wider range of people, I had learnt a lot, but still retained a firm belief that God was certainly sort of *there* somewhere, although I had worked out, completely to my satisfaction, that he/it did nothing. It was not until my forties that I realised the belief had simply evaporated from my mind - and very glad I was of that too, except for missing the singing in the church choir! Why didn't I carry on? Well, the words were so daft, they stuck in my throat"
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As a boy, he refused to accept confirmation and join the church,and certainly didn't rock the Darwinian boat as he rose to prominence in biology.
Good for him.
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]His transformation happened away from Britain--in India--and he described some of his experiences along the way in a very humorous way. I think that he needed to get away to get perspective on his life.
and 'along the way', he forgot the discipline and rigour of science and deluded himself into being subjective and, possibly, even probably, found that it was financially more lucrative; but I'm not going to bother to research that.
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If he had grown up as a scientist here, I think things would have been very different--in good ways and bad ways.
There's only one reliable way and that is to acknowledge the answer is 'don't know' to questions that cannot be objectively answered.
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I never had to take atheism very seriously, while taking a certain amount of agnosticism for granted. For him, declaring himself a Christian was like a gay person coming out of the closet. I think both Sheldrake and Dawkins have developed personal epistemologies quite similar to each other and most scientists in the United States.
I think it is somewhat bizarre to bracket Sheldrake with Dawkins, as the latter has maintained a clear, scientific, objective view of facts and fiction.
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It's taken me a long time to realize that.

It also helps me understand better how you could get so lost.
well, I think that takes the prize for the most patronising, daft statement of the year! :)

Go on, then, here’s your challenge for the week: explain why you have come to this idiotic conclusion!


Susan

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The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 1215 Phanes 07-Apr-19 13:55
Mod Note > Topic Moved 188 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-19 22:27
Re: The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 210 Enigcom 09-Apr-19 21:09
Re: The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 197 Phanes 13-Apr-19 06:13
Re: The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 247 Susan Doris 10-Apr-19 05:10
Re: The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization 193 Enigcom 11-Apr-19 14:34
give James some credit 201 drrayeye 11-Apr-19 18:35
Sheldrake is mistaken, it seems ... 216 eyeofhorus33 11-Apr-19 21:05
Listen to his report (toward the end) 186 drrayeye 11-Apr-19 23:05
Re: give James some credit 174 Susan Doris 12-Apr-19 05:22
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Re: give James some credit 177 PB Bytes 12-Apr-19 15:40
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Re: give James some credit 180 Susan Doris 13-Apr-19 05:36
A simpler response 189 eyeofhorus33 13-Apr-19 07:00
Too simple 176 drrayeye 13-Apr-19 13:06
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Re: give James some credit 169 PB Bytes 13-Apr-19 14:39
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Re: give James some credit 166 Susan Doris 13-Apr-19 17:03
Re: give James some credit 168 PB Bytes 13-Apr-19 17:09
Rupert 183 drrayeye 12-Apr-19 17:11
Re: Rupert 163 Susan Doris 13-Apr-19 14:46
Re: Rupert 171 drrayeye 13-Apr-19 17:12
Re: Rupert 160 Susan Doris 14-Apr-19 05:52
Re: Rupert 168 drrayeye 14-Apr-19 07:34
Re: Rupert 159 Susan Doris 14-Apr-19 09:35
Re: Rupert 160 Susan Doris 14-Apr-19 12:18
Re: Rupert 159 drrayeye 15-Apr-19 04:16
Re: Rupert 166 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-19 05:00
Re: Rupert 157 drrayeye 15-Apr-19 06:18
Re: Rupert 165 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-19 16:59
Entering 165 drrayeye 15-Apr-19 17:43
Re: Entering 159 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-19 18:14
Just a dangling conversation 163 drrayeye 15-Apr-19 18:45
Re: Just a dangling conversation 170 Eddie Larry 15-Apr-19 22:42
Re: Rupert 178 Susan Doris 16-Apr-19 04:57
Strong opinions 159 greengirl5 16-Apr-19 22:36
Re: Strong opinions 166 Eddie Larry 17-Apr-19 01:12
Re: give James some credit 183 Enigcom 12-Apr-19 23:37
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Re: give James some credit 174 Susan Doris 17-Apr-19 05:21
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Re: give James some credit 157 Enigcom 20-Apr-19 12:57
Re: give James some credit 159 Susan Doris 20-Apr-19 13:46
Re: give James some credit 172 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 14:03
Re: give James some credit 159 Susan Doris 20-Apr-19 16:57
You can say 158 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 17:03
Re: give James some credit 150 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 13:48
Re: give James some credit 172 Susan Doris 20-Apr-19 17:02
It's not meaningless to me 159 drrayeye 20-Apr-19 17:09
The difference 166 greengirl5 20-Apr-19 22:16
Supernatural versus superstition 150 greengirl5 20-Apr-19 22:18
Re: Supernatural versus superstition 147 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 07:36
Re: It's not meaningless to me 157 Susan Doris 21-Apr-19 07:27
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