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grangram Wrote:
> Here's a quote from James.
> 14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says
> he has faith but does not have works? Can that
> faith save him?
> 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and
> lacking in daily food, 
> 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be
> warmed and filled,” without giving them the
> things needed for the body, what good is that?
> 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have
> works, is dead.
> I think this is particularly relevant for our
> times with a child dying every 30 seconds of
> Starvation, Sickness, dirty water and diarrhea,
> basically poverty with all its diseases, which
> includes Terrorism....



I reread James for the first time in a long time, and considered it from the point of view of Jesus's brother, trying to get through to people what Jesus was like, to a degree of elaboration not known by most others.

How fascinating it was, to think that James was taking care here, deliberate care, to elaborate on Jesus' ideas of doing the right thing.


A timely coincidence, but your summary here is what grabbed my attention, as I came out thinking a very similar thing: how modern James ideas seem to me, in the context of basic human decency, and avoiding self promotion through giving, etc.

Then I thought of others, Westerners like myself - believer, atheist, agnostic alike, all of US - and remembered that these kinds of things James describes are what most of us would agree is basic decency.

I can see how the gospel, combined with subsequent political developments, may have led us to all be on the same page when it comes to such things. But is this a result of the Chrisianization of the Western world? Does it have antecdents in Greece? I wondered, having read some Socrates a little later. He seemed so polite.

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