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Gnostic Bishop Wrote:

>
> You got long winded on me so I will split my
> answers up for clarity.

"Long winded?!" I post phrases in response to the supposed dogma of Gnostic Christianity, and you say that?


>
I wrote this to refute the false notion that
> Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality
> that the inquisitors propagated to justify their
> many murders of my religions originators. It shows
> that Christians should actually hate matter and
> not Gnostic Christians.

Okay, so you are saying that the Wiki quoted excerpt is actually the opposite of real Gnostic Christians believe?


> The Christian reality.
> 1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things
> that are in the world. If any man love the world,
> the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all
> that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and
> the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is
> not of the Father, but is of the world.

As alluded to earlier, I think one needs to take a deep breath when how we think the ancients think. I read this as a concise dileniation of spiritual v physical realities, not a condemnation of the latter. This may be slightly off-topic here, but wasn't there some NT discussion involving Paul and some sex cult group that he spoke against? I wonder if the language above is more about obsessive sex than sex absolutely?

>
> As you can see from that quote, if we see God's
> kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot
> think that the world is anything but evolving
> perfection.

And there, through Thomas' alleged words, you have shown why all attempts to portray the God of Christianity under your chosen words must fail, according to logic: DL " It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians. "

You have implicitly stated that others have seen with these eyes, and I would agree. Therefore, they would have had to had such experiences at certain points of history, all of which occurred along the same timeline, according to humanity's evolution. Those with eyes like you see see beauty in the choas, because the evolving is perfect.

Therefore, to say that Christians would hate matter is to say that they must hate the Father's creation. To say Christians hate the process of 'evolution' amounts to the same, because they would say that this is the Father's process, ultimately. I'm thinking that this may be one of the few things Christians would agree on, come to think of it.

>
> The bottom line is that our matter/bodies house
> the spark of god within us and so we cannot think
> of god hose as evil.
>
Amen, DL. No dispute there.

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Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 1917 PB Bytes 29-Mar-19 17:07
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 301 Eddie Larry 29-Mar-19 22:54
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 308 drrayeye 30-Mar-19 17:01
Making progress 318 drrayeye 30-Mar-19 18:20
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 298 Gnostic Bishop 31-Mar-19 20:51
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 222 PB Bytes 01-Apr-19 16:30
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 205 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 15:17
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 202 PB Bytes 02-Apr-19 15:43
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 207 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 15:57
Manichaeism 224 Eddie Larry 02-Apr-19 17:49
Re: Manichaeism 219 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 18:10
Re: Manichaeism 217 Eddie Larry 02-Apr-19 20:16
Re: Manichaeism 200 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 14:45
Re: Manichaeism 205 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 16:05
Re: Manichaeism 207 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 16:58
Re: Manichaeism 207 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 17:22
Re: Manichaeism 210 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 17:31
Re: Manichaeism 196 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 18:26
Re: Manichaeism 200 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:19
Re: Manichaeism 200 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 20:36
Re: Manichaeism 201 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:42
Re: Manichaeism 224 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 22:25
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 206 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 15:25
Before we go any further 218 PB Bytes 02-Apr-19 15:45
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 216 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 15:28
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 218 PB Bytes 02-Apr-19 15:46
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 213 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 16:17
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 208 PB Bytes 02-Apr-19 15:47
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 217 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 16:19
Thanks 205 drrayeye 01-Apr-19 18:54
Re: Thanks 209 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 19:04
Some alternatives 208 drrayeye 01-Apr-19 21:05
Re: Some alternatives 199 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 15:46
Re: Some alternatives 215 drrayeye 02-Apr-19 20:49
Re: Some alternatives 207 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 14:51
Re: Thanks 230 PB Bytes 01-Apr-19 19:14
Re: Thanks 213 drrayeye 01-Apr-19 19:55
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 211 PB Bytes 01-Apr-19 15:31
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 206 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 15:46
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 204 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 16:52
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 217 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 17:04
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 218 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 17:49
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 202 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 17:54
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 204 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 18:38
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 198 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 18:53
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 194 PB Bytes 02-Apr-19 02:49
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 211 Eddie Larry 02-Apr-19 04:07
Thomas in India 223 PB Bytes 02-Apr-19 04:31
Re: Thomas in India 211 eyeofhorus33 03-Apr-19 18:11
Re: Thomas in India 205 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 18:13
Re: Thomas in India 207 eyeofhorus33 03-Apr-19 18:20
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Re: Thomas in India 209 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 21:23
Re: Thomas in India 212 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 06:35
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Inspiration 203 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 18:13
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Re: Inspiration 207 Gnostic Bishop 06-Apr-19 11:53
Re: Inspiration 213 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-19 17:03
Re: Inspiration 200 PB Bytes 06-Apr-19 17:20
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Re: Inspiration 245 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-19 18:29
James the Just 228 grangram 05-Apr-19 08:25
I agree completely 206 drrayeye 05-Apr-19 16:50
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Re: James the Just 209 PB Bytes 05-Apr-19 23:27
Socrates? of course. 216 grangram 06-Apr-19 06:50
Re: Inspiration 201 Gnostic Bishop 06-Apr-19 00:47
Re: Inspiration 216 drrayeye 06-Apr-19 03:07
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Re: Thomas in India 210 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 20:18
Re: Thomas in India 225 Eddie Larry 04-Apr-19 21:24
Re: Thomas in India 228 PB Bytes 04-Apr-19 21:39
Re: Thomas in India 206 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-19 01:39
Re: Thomas in India 234 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:42
Re: Thomas in India 207 drrayeye 05-Apr-19 00:40
Re: Thomas in India 202 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-19 00:49
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 302 drrayeye 30-Mar-19 03:47
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 279 PB Bytes 30-Mar-19 05:28
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 291 drrayeye 30-Mar-19 06:14
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 286 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-19 17:56
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 223 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 15:28
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 212 PB Bytes 01-Apr-19 15:41
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 206 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 15:50
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 201 PB Bytes 01-Apr-19 16:18
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 208 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 17:02
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 202 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 17:27
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 207 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 17:53
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 192 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 17:57
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 199 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 16:55
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 198 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 18:58
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 206 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 19:35
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 190 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 19:45
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 202 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 19:51
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 259 PB Bytes 30-Mar-19 14:13
Youtube is very helpful 275 drrayeye 30-Mar-19 18:52
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 266 Gnostic Bishop 31-Mar-19 20:46
Some interesting comments 276 drrayeye 30-Mar-19 20:39
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 205 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 18:27
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 192 drrayeye 01-Apr-19 19:11
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 195 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 19:20
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 202 drrayeye 01-Apr-19 19:47
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 203 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 20:25
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 218 drrayeye 01-Apr-19 21:48
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 210 Itatw70s 01-Apr-19 23:31
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 245 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 16:09
Our differences are our similarities.... 219 Itatw70s 02-Apr-19 18:17
Re: Our differences are our similarities.... 202 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 19:44
Re: Our differences are our similarities.... 208 Itatw70s 02-Apr-19 23:39
Re: Our differences are our similarities.... 195 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 15:02
Re: Our differences are our similarities.... 199 Itatw70s 03-Apr-19 16:34
Re: Our differences are our similarities.... 201 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 17:03
Re: Our differences are our similarities.... 200 Itatw70s 04-Apr-19 18:21
Re: Our differences are our similarities.... 198 Gnostic Bishop 06-Apr-19 00:53
IMO 226 drrayeye 02-Apr-19 23:12
About that short trip I had mentioned... 223 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 04:04
Re: IMO 204 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 14:56
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 206 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 15:45
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 207 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 16:51
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 206 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 17:04
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 202 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 17:29
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 211 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 17:39
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 209 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 19:57
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 200 Itatw70s 04-Apr-19 19:40
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 201 Gnostic Bishop 06-Apr-19 01:01
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Re: Spirituality 206 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 18:07
Re: Spirituality 205 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:13
Regarding Bishop Spong: 203 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 20:28
Re: Regarding Bishop Spong: 203 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:36
Re: Spirituality 202 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:07
If you need help 196 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 03:52
Re: If you need help 202 Gnostic Bishop 04-Apr-19 14:04
Re: IMO 188 drrayeye 03-Apr-19 17:35
Re: IMO 197 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 18:31
Re: IMO 189 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:23
Re: IMO 201 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 20:28
Re: IMO 200 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:39
Re: IMO 194 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 21:13
Re: IMO 202 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 21:44
Re: IMO 198 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 22:21
Re: IMO 182 Gnostic Bishop 04-Apr-19 13:58
Re: IMO 199 Eddie Larry 04-Apr-19 17:38
Re: IMO 199 Gnostic Bishop 05-Apr-19 20:28
You've posted this already 200 drrayeye 05-Apr-19 22:57
Re: You've posted this already 204 Gnostic Bishop 06-Apr-19 12:24
God--in song 206 drrayeye 06-Apr-19 20:39
Richard Dawkins 207 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 04:31
Rupert is great! 205 grangram 05-Apr-19 11:49
Rediscovering God 243 drrayeye 05-Apr-19 16:44
Oh Please 200 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 04:14
Re: Oh Please 195 Gnostic Bishop 04-Apr-19 14:10
TV Popularizers 202 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 17:18
Re: IMO 221 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 19:56
Re: IMO 215 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 04:01
Re: IMO 212 Gnostic Bishop 04-Apr-19 14:07
I think I get it 215 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 18:04
Ascetic Christianity documentary 240 grangram 05-Apr-19 09:20
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Re: Ascetic Christianity documentary 209 grangram 06-Apr-19 07:19
Thomas 78 "Why have you come out into the desert? 250 grangram 06-Apr-19 06:03
Re: Thomas 78 "Why have you come out into the desert? 222 PB Bytes 06-Apr-19 15:16
Re: Thomas 78 "Why have you come out into the desert? 211 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-19 16:38
Re: Thomas 78 "Why have you come out into the desert? 206 PB Bytes 06-Apr-19 16:49
Re: Thomas 78 "Why have you come out into the desert? 203 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-19 16:59
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Re: Thomas 78 "Why have you come out into the desert? 215 grangram 09-Apr-19 13:11
Re: Thomas 78 "Why have you come out into the desert? 219 PB Bytes 09-Apr-19 17:33
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