> You got long winded on me so I will split my
> answers up for clarity.
"Long winded?!" I post phrases in response to the supposed dogma of Gnostic Christianity, and you say that?
I wrote this to refute the false notion that
> Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality
> that the inquisitors propagated to justify their
> many murders of my religions originators. It shows
> that Christians should actually hate matter and
> not Gnostic Christians.
Okay, so you are saying that the Wiki quoted excerpt is actually the opposite of real Gnostic Christians believe?
> The Christian reality.
> 1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things
> that are in the world. If any man love the world,
> the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all
> that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and
> the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is
> not of the Father, but is of the world.
As alluded to earlier, I think one needs to take a deep breath when how we think the ancients think. I read this as a concise dileniation of spiritual v physical realities, not a condemnation of the latter. This may be slightly off-topic here, but wasn't there some NT discussion involving Paul and some sex cult group that he spoke against? I wonder if the language above is more about obsessive sex than sex absolutely?
> As you can see from that quote, if we see God's
> kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot
> think that the world is anything but evolving
And there, through Thomas' alleged words, you have shown why all attempts to portray the God of Christianity under your chosen words must fail, according to logic: DL " It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians. "
You have implicitly stated that others have seen with these eyes, and I would agree. Therefore, they would have had to had such experiences at certain points of history, all of which occurred along the same timeline, according to humanity's evolution. Those with eyes like you see see beauty in the choas, because the evolving is perfect.
Therefore, to say that Christians would hate matter is to say that they must hate the Father's creation. To say Christians hate the process of 'evolution' amounts to the same, because they would say that this is the Father's process, ultimately. I'm thinking that this may be one of the few things Christians would agree on, come to think of it.
> The bottom line is that our matter/bodies house
> the spark of god within us and so we cannot think
> of god hose as evil.
Amen, DL. No dispute there.