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Poster Boy Wrote:
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> Of by "Theosis" or "apotheosis" you mean this:
> divinization ("divinization may also refer to
> apotheosis, lit. "making divine"), is a
> transformative process whose aim is likeness to or
> union with God, as taught by the Eastern Orthodox
> Church and Eastern Catholic Churches."
>
> I would not say that "I" played a contributing
> role in any meaningful sense, unless I may have
> ordered up this experience prior to incarnating in
> my current form, and since I have no idea about
> that, I have no opinion. It is my belief that this
> experienced was ultimately provided for by God the
> Father.
>
> "(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue
> seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will
> become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will
> be astonished, and he will rule over
> the All."
>
> This is a hard to dither out saying.
>
> Did you become troubled? Why?
>
> Were you astonished? At what?
>
> What does ruling over the all mean to you?
>
> DL, good questions. My main takeaway from verse 2
> is that it recognizing, implicitly, the
> possibility of no longer having to seek in any
> spiritual-mystical sense. Beyond this, when I
> look at the other phrases, I see room for
> interpretation but I wonder how much of my own
> would be projecting meaning onto something whose
> real meaning might be otherwise. Prior to this
> experience I had much trouble of a spiritual
> nature, which were resolved by this and other
> experiences in highly specific (personal) terms.
>
>
> I was indeed astonished by some of the things I
> learned, as these experiences introduced levels of
> reality that I believe are generally unseen. But
> isn't this typical of those who seem themselves on
> mystical paths, DL!?: such experiences are
> extremely novel.
>
>
> Of 'ruling over all' I will say this. Near the end
> of Mass, as I was watching the priest leave the
> church where this Mass took place, and after
> having seen what I believe was an unceasing
> demonstration of God's order, the Father said to
> me, "Don't worry Mark, I have everything under
> control." I took that as a reference to the inner
> Revelation I had experienced, much of which I saw
> as demonstrations of the Father's order, like He
> was saying, "I just showed you Order, and now I'm
> telling you you what you saw."
>
> Because of what I saw then, I had no doubt
> that the (loving) Father is in control of
> everything. There was something about the
> demonstration that convinced me that the Father
> was not subject to limitations of scale, and that
> this 'Verse 3" level of reality is greater than
> our own.
>
> What I didn't know then, was that the same order
> would be reflected through subsequent events, and
> major life experiences, all of which hearken back
> to this event. It's as if some of the order I
> perceived then slipped out to the other side,
> here, stamping itself in ordinary time-space terms
> in ways that reflect the earlier event and its
> magnificence. That's largely a personal story,
> whose details I don't care to discuss at this
> time, fyi.

I think I begin to see why you would not be a Gnostic Christian.

Let's go to the bottom line.

Name your God for me please.

Regards
DL

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Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 1917 PB Bytes 29-Mar-19 17:07
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 308 drrayeye 30-Mar-19 17:01
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 221 PB Bytes 01-Apr-19 16:30
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Manichaeism 224 Eddie Larry 02-Apr-19 17:49
Re: Manichaeism 218 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 18:10
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Re: Manichaeism 200 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 14:45
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Re: Manichaeism 200 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:19
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 206 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 15:25
Before we go any further 218 PB Bytes 02-Apr-19 15:45
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 216 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 15:28
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 213 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 16:17
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 208 PB Bytes 02-Apr-19 15:47
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 217 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 16:19
Thanks 205 drrayeye 01-Apr-19 18:54
Re: Thanks 209 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 19:04
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Re: Some alternatives 199 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 15:46
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Re: Some alternatives 207 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 14:51
Re: Thanks 230 PB Bytes 01-Apr-19 19:14
Re: Thanks 213 drrayeye 01-Apr-19 19:55
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 211 PB Bytes 01-Apr-19 15:31
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 206 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 15:46
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 204 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 16:52
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 216 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 17:04
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 218 Gnostic Bishop 01-Apr-19 17:49
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 202 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 17:54
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 198 Eddie Larry 01-Apr-19 18:53
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 193 PB Bytes 02-Apr-19 02:49
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 211 Eddie Larry 02-Apr-19 04:07
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Re: Thomas in India 212 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 06:35
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Re: Inspiration 245 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-19 18:29
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Re: Thomas in India 206 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-19 01:39
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Re: Thomas in India 207 drrayeye 05-Apr-19 00:40
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 302 drrayeye 30-Mar-19 03:47
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 291 drrayeye 30-Mar-19 06:14
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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 218 drrayeye 01-Apr-19 21:48
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 210 Itatw70s 01-Apr-19 23:31
Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 245 Gnostic Bishop 02-Apr-19 16:09
Our differences are our similarities.... 219 Itatw70s 02-Apr-19 18:17
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Re: Our differences are our similarities.... 208 Itatw70s 02-Apr-19 23:39
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Re: IMO 204 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 14:56
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 206 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 15:45
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Re: IMO - My take after these few days 206 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 17:04
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 202 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 17:29
Re: IMO - My take after these few days 211 PB Bytes 03-Apr-19 17:39
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Re: Spirituality 205 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:13
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Re: Spirituality 202 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:07
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Re: If you need help 202 Gnostic Bishop 04-Apr-19 14:04
Re: IMO 188 drrayeye 03-Apr-19 17:35
Re: IMO 196 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 18:31
Re: IMO 189 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:23
Re: IMO 200 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 20:28
Re: IMO 200 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 20:39
Re: IMO 194 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 21:13
Re: IMO 202 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 21:44
Re: IMO 197 Eddie Larry 03-Apr-19 22:21
Re: IMO 182 Gnostic Bishop 04-Apr-19 13:58
Re: IMO 199 Eddie Larry 04-Apr-19 17:38
Re: IMO 199 Gnostic Bishop 05-Apr-19 20:28
You've posted this already 200 drrayeye 05-Apr-19 22:57
Re: You've posted this already 204 Gnostic Bishop 06-Apr-19 12:24
God--in song 206 drrayeye 06-Apr-19 20:39
Richard Dawkins 207 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 04:31
Rupert is great! 205 grangram 05-Apr-19 11:49
Rediscovering God 242 drrayeye 05-Apr-19 16:44
Oh Please 200 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 04:14
Re: Oh Please 195 Gnostic Bishop 04-Apr-19 14:10
TV Popularizers 202 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 17:18
Re: IMO 221 Gnostic Bishop 03-Apr-19 19:56
Re: IMO 215 drrayeye 04-Apr-19 04:01
Re: IMO 212 Gnostic Bishop 04-Apr-19 14:07
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Re: Ascetic Christianity documentary 209 grangram 06-Apr-19 07:19
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Re: Thomas 78 "Why have you come out into the desert? 203 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-19 16:59
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