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Eddie Larry Wrote:
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> Let me know of the statements in the GoT that you
> find meaningful.

Hi Eddie

There were a few that really grabbed me, but I would say the first one is this... Keeping in mind that I have seen the text before, but only recently did I take a rather sustained, focused look on it.

I can offer up three at the very front end, in slightly altered order:

3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When I first read this I was like, "Wow," as it made me think back to a spiritual experience I once had which I will describe as an experience of being "in heaven on earth."

As A result of this experience, the first verse makes perfect sense to me:

1. And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

Which I see has had direct implications on the second verse:

2. Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

As I result of this experience I no longer seek. I feel fully satisfied in the questing-seeking metaphysical sense. Mind you, I've had some spiritual adventures and quests since, but these are of secondary importance to what I experience then.

Here's a funny thing, Eddie. When I first read the 3rd passage recently, and was jolted by how it reminded me of the experience I refer to, I don't recall any mention of the Father. Maybe it was a different translation. Maybe I didn't notice it. What stuck out in my mind was how the 3rd verse reflected my perception then, of heaven being within me and without me. Concurrent with that perception was a sense of being positioned beyond ordinary time and space, even though I was physically present. It was as if my normal self was just a whisper of my individual identity then. At the time I was identifying with a part of me that was Eternal. I believe that this was some sort of mystical ritual that affirmed my Eternal heritage.

So, when you asked me about what I saw, and when I went looking, only this time did I notice mention of the Father. This was also on point, because the experience that immediately came to mind happened on Easter, during a Mass when I believe and believe to this day that I was in state of Communion with God the Father. I never doubted that from the time I left the church - it was that awesome - and I've never doubted it since.

As I recall, there were a few other lines in the Thomas text that registered similarly, but in looking for them after you asked most of the earlier ones didn't evoke anything meaningful, but the first and the third certainly did, in ways that have had a profound effect on what "seeking" (the second) means to me.

I'll return to this later. I've got to go on a short trip, but I will look for the others.

You sound well informed on this Eddie, certainly a lot more than me. At present, in light of what I heard about Gnosticism and the Gospel of Thomas - and I know little about both! - my initial impression is that whoever wrote versus 1 and 3 or said them is coming from a very "Authentic source." The other Gnostics beliefs (that I glanced over a short while ago) would be very separate things. I would not be surprised at all if the sayings mentioned, 1 and 3, came straight from Jesus - and isn't that intriguing!?

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Re: Exploring the Gospel of Thomas 335 Eddie Larry 29-Mar-19 17:53
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Manichaeism 224 Eddie Larry 02-Apr-19 17:49
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