“No, but if the interpretation included anything invisible, undetectable, non-observable, and totally lacking in objective evidence in spite of the huge progress made via the mammoth efforts of Science to discover and learn as much as possible about ourselves and the world we inhabit, and in spite of the increasingly sophisticated technology and equipment used, wwellll then, to all intents and purposes it does not exist, although it is an actual thought in people's brains and, therefore, can be discussed as such. ”

Hi Susan, I suggest that Gerda and Ray’s experiences do not include “anything invisible, undetectable, non-observable, and totally lacking in objective evidence.” This is a hidden argument that you bring out now and then which doesn’t apply. Now it is visible here. Basically, you are just writing off ideas, I guess, you feel may lead to a belief in god, your main cause celeb.

But I don’t think that is what these folks are arguing. Actually, it would be a bad idea to do so nowadays. IMO, of course. They are talking about what they DO experience.