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If you take the trouble to look up what science has discovered about how we think, you will find that, if you were attached to suitable machinery all the time, a part of your brain would show
action a split second before you consciously[//I] thought to get up from the chair. I understand that these experiments have been repeated and demonstrate predictability. If you can find better evidence to the contrary, please cite it.

The phrase free will is simply two words put together to enable us to talk about what certainly feels like deciding completely consciously to do something. However, if we had evolved to do that, then we would not have survived. Just because it has only been detected in recent times does not mean that it is wrong. Many things we know to be correct are counter-intuitive. And, as I have mentioned before, if you want to see a never-ending discussion between one really rigid mind and ones that are prepared to look for all explanations, not just one including a god, then go to R&E, Searching for God, and read the last ten pages.
It is far more scary to think that we are acting entirely randomly all the time - there lies chaos. I like the security ofknowing that my thoughts and actions are based on what has already been thought and/or what has happened in life.

You are also incorrect in thinking that I have a rigid or closed mind. I cant stop you thinking that, if that is what you choose to do, but I write it down anyway.

Susan


greengirl5 Wrote:
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> Do I? - ok, let me try!
>
> Do I keep sitting here or get up to do what I
> "should" be doing? Why should I do something else?
>
> Because it is on my own list of things to do, and
> if I don't do them, I will have stupid dreams at
> night.
>
> I fight with myself all the time, too much to do,
> but I don't want to go to a nursing home either
> and lose my free will.
>
> In the olden days a cigaret made me get up, now it
> is chocolate.
>
> So, where is it? Has it got a hold over me? I
> could have a biscuit in stead of, but had two a
> little while ago. Take up smoking again? No!
>
> Chocolate, dark, good for you it says in many
> places. I use my free will to decide they are
> right. The sellers? The makers? Whatever, it has
> done me no harm so far, but only the dark. Not too
> much sugar. My choice, yeh- ! Free will!
>
> GG.
>
>
>
> Eddie Larry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fine, but you still have to come up with an
> > explanation of free will.

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Free will or not? 1275 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 277 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 243 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 216 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 208 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 205 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 207 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 198 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 209 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 186 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 195 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 212 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 223 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 211 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 181 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 205 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 221 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 200 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 190 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 191 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 191 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 194 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 199 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 192 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 186 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 187 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 204 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 180 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 212 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 193 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 185 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 202 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 191 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 188 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 193 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 198 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 189 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 206 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 199 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 194 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 193 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 195 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 199 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 227 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 202 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 204 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 196 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 191 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 191 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 196 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 180 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 189 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 195 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 187 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 172 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 201 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 186 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 188 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 198 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 197 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 221 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 221 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 188 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 187 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 205 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 201 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 197 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 198 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 188 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 213 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 188 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 215 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 200 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 198 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 193 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 187 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 202 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 190 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 200 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 201 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 186 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 210 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 182 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 191 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 191 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 180 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 183 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 176 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 198 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 186 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 179 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 184 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 191 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 174 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 324 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 192 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 174 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 199 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 180 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 198 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 176 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 157 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 168 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 174 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 199 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 194 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 210 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 210 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 199 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 171 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 188 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 176 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 210 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 179 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 188 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 207 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 175 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 175 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 188 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 193 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 247 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 221 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 229 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 187 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 210 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 188 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 207 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 184 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 196 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 188 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 215 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 198 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 204 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 200 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 201 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 205 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 211 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 198 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 199 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 200 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 233 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 226 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 216 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 220 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 190 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 194 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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