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If you take the trouble to look up what science has discovered about how we think, you will find that, if you were attached to suitable machinery all the time, a part of your brain would show
action a split second before you consciously[//I] thought to get up from the chair. I understand that these experiments have been repeated and demonstrate predictability. If you can find better evidence to the contrary, please cite it.

The phrase free will is simply two words put together to enable us to talk about what certainly feels like deciding completely consciously to do something. However, if we had evolved to do that, then we would not have survived. Just because it has only been detected in recent times does not mean that it is wrong. Many things we know to be correct are counter-intuitive. And, as I have mentioned before, if you want to see a never-ending discussion between one really rigid mind and ones that are prepared to look for all explanations, not just one including a god, then go to R&E, Searching for God, and read the last ten pages.
It is far more scary to think that we are acting entirely randomly all the time - there lies chaos. I like the security ofknowing that my thoughts and actions are based on what has already been thought and/or what has happened in life.

You are also incorrect in thinking that I have a rigid or closed mind. I cant stop you thinking that, if that is what you choose to do, but I write it down anyway.

Susan


greengirl5 Wrote:
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> Do I? - ok, let me try!
>
> Do I keep sitting here or get up to do what I
> "should" be doing? Why should I do something else?
>
> Because it is on my own list of things to do, and
> if I don't do them, I will have stupid dreams at
> night.
>
> I fight with myself all the time, too much to do,
> but I don't want to go to a nursing home either
> and lose my free will.
>
> In the olden days a cigaret made me get up, now it
> is chocolate.
>
> So, where is it? Has it got a hold over me? I
> could have a biscuit in stead of, but had two a
> little while ago. Take up smoking again? No!
>
> Chocolate, dark, good for you it says in many
> places. I use my free will to decide they are
> right. The sellers? The makers? Whatever, it has
> done me no harm so far, but only the dark. Not too
> much sugar. My choice, yeh- ! Free will!
>
> GG.
>
>
>
> Eddie Larry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fine, but you still have to come up with an
> > explanation of free will.

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Free will or not? 1291 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 285 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 251 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 225 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 213 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 211 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 212 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 200 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 217 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 191 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 201 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 218 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 230 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 215 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 186 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 210 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 226 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 207 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 197 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 199 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 196 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 199 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 207 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 195 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 191 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 194 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 218 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 187 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 220 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 202 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 194 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 207 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 197 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 191 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 199 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 206 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 195 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 212 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 203 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 201 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 197 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 199 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 210 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 231 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 210 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 211 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 202 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 199 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 199 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 199 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 187 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 196 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 206 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 194 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 176 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 207 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 189 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 194 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 202 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 202 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 226 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 227 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 194 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 193 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 216 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 207 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 202 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 203 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 195 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 216 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 196 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 223 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 206 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 207 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 197 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 190 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 207 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 197 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 205 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 204 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 193 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 215 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 185 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 193 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 196 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 187 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 202 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 183 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 202 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 189 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 188 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 189 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 200 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 178 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 333 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 197 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 181 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 207 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 185 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 202 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 182 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 158 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 174 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 180 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 202 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 197 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 216 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 216 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 203 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 177 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 190 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 183 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 213 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 184 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 191 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 214 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 178 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 180 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 190 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 198 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 262 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 228 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 242 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 191 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 219 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 193 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 220 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 187 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 210 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 192 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 219 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 201 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 211 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 204 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 206 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 210 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 215 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 205 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 203 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 205 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 238 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 232 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 220 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 224 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 202 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 201 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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