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Richard Darwins - the 13 and 17 year cicadas
Date: October 15, 2018 12:04PM
Dawkins uses the 13-year and 17-year periodical cicadas as another example of convergent evolution. These remarkable creatures have a juvenile feeding stage lasting 13 or 17 years. Adults emerge at almost exactly the same time after spending 13 or 17 years underground to live in their mature stage for only a few weeks before dying. The interesting thing about periodical cicadas is that there is not a 13-year species and a 17-year species. There are in fact three and each has a different race of 13-year and 17-year cicadas, the intermediate years of 14, 15 and 16 having been avoided by all three. Dawkins noted that 13 and 17 are both prime numbers (cannot be divided evenly). He then speculates about the possibility of a predator that could make life difficult for cicadas that did not have 13 or 17-year breeding cycles. He suggests, for example, a species that swarmed every 7 years could make life difficult for a 14-year cicada but Dawkins is unaware of the existence of such a creature. In The Blind Watchmaker, p100, he writes:
The idea is that a race of animals that regularly erupts in plagues gains the benefit of alternately 'swamping' and starving its enemies, predators or parasites. And if these plagues are carefully timed to occur a prime number of years apart, it makes it that much more difficult for the enemies to synchronize their own life cycles. If the cicadas erupted every 14 years, for instance, they could be exploited by a parasite species with a 7-year life cycle.
The theory that cicadas swamp and then starve their enemy is a notion applicable to all insects that plague. For example, we are familiar with a grasshopper (or locust), easy pickings for birds that mostly keep their numbers in check. When locusts plague however their normal predators are ineffectual and they cause much damage for their synchronising the emergence of a new generation makes it possible for many more to survive. The birds feeding on them have a feast when they first appear but are quickly replete so take little interest in the bulk of the plague.
But it is difficult to see how this strategy relates to the cicada’s choice of prime numbers. What is being suggested by Dawkins is that a predator or parasite can also synchronise their breeding cycles to make it possible to exploit plagues not occurring at 13 or 17 year intervals. The first thing we should note is that it would be impossible for birds to increase their population at the same rate as insects. There would also be little point in an avian predator increasing its population to take advantage of a plague, for the new generation would soon starve once the swarm had passed and this is presumably why Dawkins suggests the unknown enemy is most likely a parasite. Parasites can increase their population rapidly and could exploit an insect plague.
Let us imagine there is a parasite with a 7-year breeding cycle that attempts to exploit a 14-year cicada. The parasite discovers the precise time of the cicada eruption and synchronises its own reproductive cycle to take advantage of the plague. When the cicadas erupt, the first generation of the parasite matures at exactly the right time to feast on the swarm. But when the second generation of the parasite erupts again in 7 years, the cicada is still in its juvenile stage and the parasite’s second generation will starve. The problem for Dawkins’ theory is that the cicada will starve the second generation of any parasite or predator with a breeding cycle shorter than its own regardless of whether it is a prime number or not.
But it is undeniable that a 14-year parasite would be very successful at exploiting a 14-year cicada. Every time the cicada erupts, a new generation of parasite would arrive to take advantage of the abundant food supply. So does this explain why the cicada moved from a 14-year to a 13-year breeding cycle? Of course not. The parasite can exploit a 13-year cycle in exactly the same way. The problem for Dawkins’ theory is that a prime number can be divided by itself as can every number. This means a parasite that can extend its breeding cycle to the same number of years as its target can exploit 12, 14, 15, 16 and 18 year cycles (non-prime numbers) just as easily as 13 and 17 year cycles.
It is unlikely therefore that a hypothetical predator forced cicadas to abandon composite numbers and adopt 13 and 17 year cycles.
Sadly, it would seem, Richard Dawkins does not understand simple prime numbers and the reason he gives for the convergence of 13 and 17-year cicadas is incorrect.
The above is an excerpt from my book; God Gametes and the Planet of the Butterfly Queen - page 315
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Eddie Larry
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21-Oct-18 23:39 |
                
Re: DDE No. 1, Matter, energy and the gravitational forces
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365 |
Robert Jameson
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22-Oct-18 00:01 |
        
Re: tapping into past lives
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427 |
Susan Doris
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07-Oct-18 11:27 |
         
Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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355 |
Robert Jameson
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08-Oct-18 01:58 |
          
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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350 |
Susan Doris
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08-Oct-18 05:36 |
           
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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352 |
Robert Jameson
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08-Oct-18 06:21 |
           
Oh dear
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355 |
drrayeye
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08-Oct-18 16:49 |
            
Re: Oh dear
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387 |
Susan Doris
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08-Oct-18 17:40 |
             
'Not shaking in my shoes"
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340 |
drrayeye
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09-Oct-18 11:54 |
             
Why they get so mad at you
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350 |
drrayeye
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09-Oct-18 13:05 |
              
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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391 |
michael seabrook
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11-Oct-18 18:03 |
               
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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349 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 21:23 |
                
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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344 |
greengirl5
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11-Oct-18 21:43 |
                 
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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359 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 22:16 |
                  
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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329 |
greengirl5
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12-Oct-18 01:16 |
                  
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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430 |
michael seabrook
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12-Oct-18 16:42 |
                
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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343 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 05:23 |
                 
Shame on you
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361 |
drrayeye
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12-Oct-18 16:29 |
                  
Re: Shame on you
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414 |
michael seabrook
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12-Oct-18 16:50 |
                   
Re: Shame on you
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350 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 18:00 |
                    
Re: Shame on you
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349 |
drrayeye
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12-Oct-18 19:55 |
                     
Re: Shame on you
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392 |
michael seabrook
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12-Oct-18 21:11 |
             
Why I still read and respond (sometimes) to your posts
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347 |
drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 04:05 |
              
Re: Why I still read and respond (sometimes) to your posts
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345 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 05:50 |
               
Feedback
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349 |
drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 14:51 |
                
Re: Feedback
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342 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 19:20 |
           
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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339 |
Itatw70s
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08-Oct-18 21:47 |
            
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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347 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 06:45 |
             
Wavelengths
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325 |
greengirl5
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09-Oct-18 08:20 |
              
Re: Wavelengths
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355 |
Itatw70s
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09-Oct-18 15:37 |
               
Re: Wavelengths
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339 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 18:03 |
                
Discussions
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336 |
greengirl5
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09-Oct-18 21:53 |
                
Re: Wavelengths
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344 |
Itatw70s
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10-Oct-18 00:34 |
                 
Re: Wavelengths
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332 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 12:26 |
                  
Re: Wavelengths
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343 |
Itatw70s
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10-Oct-18 13:49 |
                   
Re: Wavelengths
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325 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 14:33 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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364 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 06:47 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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332 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 13:38 |
   
Oh no, another pickle you've gotten yourself into
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345 |
drrayeye
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06-Oct-18 13:24 |
    
Re: Oh no, another pickle you've gotten yourself into
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347 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 13:40 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
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376 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 06:51 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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355 |
Robert Jameson
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06-Oct-18 07:36 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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369 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 08:13 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
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340 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 13:42 |
      
Rubbishing the debunkers
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347 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 14:32 |
       
Re: Rubbishing the debunkers
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367 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 17:31 |
        
Everything is just wonderful!
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340 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 22:59 |
      
The scientific PROOF that shows reincarnation
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373 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 15:59 |
       
Re: The scientific PROOF that shows reincarnation
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356 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 17:34 |
        
The Nobel Prize
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339 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 23:08 |
         
Re: The Nobel Prize
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346 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 00:28 |
        
Re: The scientific PROOF that shows reincarnation
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409 |
michael seabrook
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11-Oct-18 06:31 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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386 |
M. J. Thomas
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10-Oct-18 10:12 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
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334 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 02:39 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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348 |
Itatw70s
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06-Oct-18 19:54 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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352 |
Susan Doris
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07-Oct-18 05:23 |
     
Says who?
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343 |
greengirl5
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07-Oct-18 07:06 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives, if you would of read all the post
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386 |
michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 10:50 |
      
Re: tapping into past lives, if you would of read all the post
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352 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 20:00 |
       
Re: tapping into past lives, if you would of read all the post
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401 |
michael seabrook
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08-Oct-18 20:47 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
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368 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 06:44 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
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361 |
Robert Jameson
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06-Oct-18 10:12 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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362 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 11:29 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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366 |
Robert Jameson
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06-Oct-18 12:10 |
     
Reinarnation = immortality
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403 |
michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 17:54 |
      
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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367 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 19:00 |
       
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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365 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 20:53 |
        
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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344 |
Susan Doris
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08-Oct-18 05:24 |
         
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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385 |
michael seabrook
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11-Oct-18 18:12 |
          
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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344 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 05:27 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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350 |
Eddie Larry
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10-Oct-18 18:04 |
    
connecting the physical with the spiritual
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364 |
drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 19:04 |
     
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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350 |
Eddie Larry
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10-Oct-18 21:34 |
      
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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365 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 00:37 |
       
All hugely interesting!
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352 |
greengirl5
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11-Oct-18 01:07 |
        
Re: All hugely interesting!
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351 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 02:20 |
       
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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352 |
Eddie Larry
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11-Oct-18 23:16 |
        
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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350 |
Robert Jameson
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12-Oct-18 00:46 |
         
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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328 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 05:34 |
         
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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329 |
Eddie Larry
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13-Oct-18 02:53 |
          
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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340 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Oct-18 05:18 |
           
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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340 |
Eddie Larry
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13-Oct-18 15:25 |
            
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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345 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Oct-18 17:30 |
        
Correction made
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342 |
Robert Jameson
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12-Oct-18 01:16 |
       
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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351 |
Eddie Larry
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12-Oct-18 18:05 |
        
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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321 |
drrayeye
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12-Oct-18 18:50 |
        
Your chair as a mirage!
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346 |
greengirl5
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12-Oct-18 21:00 |
         
Re: Your chair as a mirage!
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358 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Oct-18 01:16 |

Re: tapping into past lives, resurrected
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378 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 12:06 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives, resurrected
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354 |
Robert Jameson
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06-Oct-18 12:23 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives, resurrected
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356 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 14:00 |
   
So, what is consciousness?
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376 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 14:40 |
    
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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342 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 17:40 |
     
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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362 |
Itatw70s
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06-Oct-18 20:26 |
      
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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392 |
Eddie Larry
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06-Oct-18 23:04 |
       
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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333 |
Susan Doris
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07-Oct-18 06:09 |
        
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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384 |
Eddie Larry
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07-Oct-18 13:22 |
         
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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357 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 20:35 |
     
as "far" as you know!
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336 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 23:19 |
      
Re: as "far" as you know!
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362 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 00:01 |
       
Re: as "far" as you know!
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419 |
Eddie Larry
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07-Oct-18 02:30 |
        
Re: as "far" as you know!
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368 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 03:43 |
         
Re: as "far" as you know!
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349 |
Susan Doris
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07-Oct-18 06:16 |
         
Re: as "far" as you know!
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413 |
michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 10:53 |
          
Re: as "far" as you know!
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375 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 11:25 |
           
Re: as "far" as you know!
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386 |
michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 17:57 |
        
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
360 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 21:21 |
         
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
352 |
Eddie Larry
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08-Oct-18 23:04 |
          
Re: as "far" as you know!
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350 |
Itatw70s
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09-Oct-18 15:54 |
          
Great favorite!
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363 |
drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 03:45 |

Re: tapping into past lives
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368 |
Enigcom
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08-Oct-18 23:07 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
328 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 06:47 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
|
344 |
Enigcom
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09-Oct-18 18:02 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
|
327 |
Robert Jameson
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09-Oct-18 21:19 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
|
327 |
Enigcom
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11-Oct-18 21:36 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
|
375 |
greengirl5
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11-Oct-18 21:46 |

Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
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354 |
Robert Jameson
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09-Oct-18 03:31 |
 
Re: Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
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347 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 06:50 |
  
Re: Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
|
369 |
greengirl5
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09-Oct-18 07:57 |
   
Re: Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
|
363 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 18:09 |

Re: tapping into past lives
|
358 |
Redwood1
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11-Oct-18 20:19 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
376 |
greengirl5
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11-Oct-18 21:57 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
|
362 |
Enigcom
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11-Oct-18 22:08 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
|
353 |
Redwood1
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17-Oct-18 18:40 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
|
325 |
Redwood1
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17-Oct-18 18:51 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
|
329 |
Redwood1
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17-Oct-18 19:12 |
      
A crazy world needs a crazy explanation
|
340 |
Robert Jameson
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17-Oct-18 23:06 |
       
Re: A crazy world needs a crazy explanation
|
345 |
Susan Doris
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18-Oct-18 05:24 |
       
Re: A crazy world needs a crazy explanation
|
354 |
M. J. Thomas
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18-Oct-18 09:04 |
      
Re: tapping into past lives
|
344 |
Susan Doris
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18-Oct-18 05:11 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
405 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 05:42 |

Re: tapping into past lives, old souls
|
423 |
michael seabrook
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13-Oct-18 13:19 |
 
Are you a Moon Child
|
400 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Oct-18 23:41 |
  
Re: Are you a Moon Child
|
450 |
michael seabrook
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14-Oct-18 08:30 |

Re: tapping into past lives
|
451 |
David L
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14-Oct-18 14:42 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
453 |
michael seabrook
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14-Oct-18 15:58 |

Past lives and sacred rivers
|
540 |
Robert Jameson
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23-Oct-18 11:44 |
 
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
349 |
Eddie Larry
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23-Oct-18 17:14 |
  
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
383 |
michael seabrook
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23-Oct-18 19:21 |
   
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
398 |
Robert Jameson
|
24-Oct-18 00:34 |
    
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
388 |
michael seabrook
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25-Oct-18 07:54 |
     
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
399 |
Robert Jameson
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25-Oct-18 11:41 |
      
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
346 |
Eddie Larry
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25-Oct-18 14:04 |
      
The negative consequences of chit chat
|
353 |
drrayeye
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25-Oct-18 20:45 |
       
Re: The negative consequences of chit chat
|
458 |
Robert Jameson
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25-Oct-18 21:22 |
      
Bairnsdale – Valley of the children
|
380 |
Robert Jameson
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25-Oct-18 21:16 |

Memories Of Your Ancestors Can Be Hidden In Your DNa
|
275 |
michael seabrook
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08-Jan-20 18:24 |

Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
182 |
michael seabrook
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11-Feb-20 21:46 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
180 |
Glass Jigsaw
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12-Feb-20 02:23 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
172 |
Thunderbird
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13-Feb-20 16:35 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
224 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Feb-20 21:13 |

Re: tapping into past lives gentic memory
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196 |
michael seabrook
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12-Jun-20 19:39 |