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Stephen Jay Gould - Complexity
Date: October 12, 2018 07:51AM
Stephen Jay Gould regards the evolution of complex creatures as almost an inconsequential departure from life’s bacterial mode. In his book; Life’s Grandeur humans are described variously as a “dribble at one end” a “little blip” the “right tail” a “tiny twig” and a “motley series of disparate forms”. He writes:
If we could replay the game of life again and again, always starting at the left wall and expanding thereafter in diversity, we would get a right tail almost every time, but the inhabitants of this region of greatest complexity would be wildly and unpredictably different in each rendition - and the vast majority of replays would never produce (on the finite scale of a planet's lifetime) a creature with self-consciousness. Humans are here by the luck of the draw, not the inevitability of life's direction or evolution's mechanism.
Without a direction or purpose for the more intricate designs of living systems and our human consciousness, it is necessary for Gould to explain complexity. He rather seems to suggest that it is difficult to know what is really meant by the term. This is surprising because ‘complexity’ is a commonly used word and an accomplished writer such as Gould should know what it means. Yet if he were in doubt, he could look it up in a dictionary. The New Oxford Dictionary of English provides the following:
Consisting of many interconnected parts, intricate – Involving many different and confusing aspects.
Or he might prefer Webster’s New World Dictionary:
Complex refers to that which is made up of many elaborately interrelated or interconnected parts, so that much study or knowledge is needed to understand or operate it [a complex mechanism]; complicated is applied to that which is highly complex and hence very difficult to analyze, solve, or understand …
Key words here would be ‘interconnected parts’, ‘intricate’, 'confusing’, ‘much knowledge is needed to understand’ and ‘very difficult to analyze’ yet it seems Gould prefers a definition provided by Dan McShea of the University of Michigan that relates complexity to the:
… number of different parts it has, and of the irregularity of their arrangement. Thus, heterogenous, messy, or irregularly configured systems are complex, such as organisms, automobiles, compost heaps, and junk yards.
He notes that junkyards and compost heaps may be functionally simple. However they; “... might be quite complex to other users in this case, to the seagull who must distinguish all the little bits while searching for morsels of food.” Gould is probably correct when he says a seagull would find a compost heap complex. It may also be true that they cannot distinguish between the irregular arrangements of a junkyard and the functional design of an automobile or human eye. We should not, however, conclude that birds have the last word on this matter. Most would agree there is a difference between the design of a human eye and a junkyard, even if seagulls have not noticed this.
After lumping the intricate design of body parts and human consciousness into the same category as a compost heap and a junkyard, Gould presents results of a number of studies. His purpose is to discover if there has been a general shift towards improved design in living organisms. Given the premise on which he is evaluating his data, it is not surprising to learn that he finds there has been no overall trend to greater complexity.
It is impossible to know what can be achieved by an analysis of data presented this way. The primary purpose in studying evolutionary theory is to understand the origin of life and how complex living systems came into existence. To relate the complexity found in a human eye to compost heaps and junkyards, is an absurdity. An eye might be a heterogenous and irregular configuration - yet was designed for a purpose. There is little purpose to design in a junkyard. By putting such different types of complexity in the same category makes it impossible for a meaningful statistical analysis to be made. It does not place a value on the abundance of design present everywhere in nature that cannot be explained by the random process of natural selection.
Above is an excerpt from my book; God Gametes and the Planet of the Butterfly Queen - page 274
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Robert Jameson
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08-Oct-18 01:58 |
          
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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309 |
Susan Doris
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08-Oct-18 05:36 |
           
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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314 |
Robert Jameson
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08-Oct-18 06:21 |
           
Oh dear
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319 |
drrayeye
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08-Oct-18 16:49 |
            
Re: Oh dear
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342 |
Susan Doris
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08-Oct-18 17:40 |
             
'Not shaking in my shoes"
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298 |
drrayeye
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09-Oct-18 11:54 |
             
Why they get so mad at you
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309 |
drrayeye
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09-Oct-18 13:05 |
              
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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348 |
michael seabrook
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11-Oct-18 18:03 |
               
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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306 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 21:23 |
                
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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306 |
greengirl5
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11-Oct-18 21:43 |
                 
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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322 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 22:16 |
                  
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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291 |
greengirl5
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12-Oct-18 01:16 |
                  
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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388 |
michael seabrook
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12-Oct-18 16:42 |
                
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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303 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 05:23 |
                 
Shame on you
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322 |
drrayeye
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12-Oct-18 16:29 |
                  
Re: Shame on you
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375 |
michael seabrook
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12-Oct-18 16:50 |
                   
Re: Shame on you
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310 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 18:00 |
                    
Re: Shame on you
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307 |
drrayeye
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12-Oct-18 19:55 |
                     
Re: Shame on you
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351 |
michael seabrook
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12-Oct-18 21:11 |
             
Why I still read and respond (sometimes) to your posts
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311 |
drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 04:05 |
              
Re: Why I still read and respond (sometimes) to your posts
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303 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 05:50 |
               
Feedback
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311 |
drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 14:51 |
                
Re: Feedback
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304 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 19:20 |
           
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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301 |
Itatw70s
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08-Oct-18 21:47 |
            
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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312 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 06:45 |
             
Wavelengths
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290 |
greengirl5
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09-Oct-18 08:20 |
              
Re: Wavelengths
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315 |
Itatw70s
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09-Oct-18 15:37 |
               
Re: Wavelengths
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293 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 18:03 |
                
Discussions
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297 |
greengirl5
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09-Oct-18 21:53 |
                
Re: Wavelengths
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304 |
Itatw70s
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10-Oct-18 00:34 |
                 
Re: Wavelengths
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297 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 12:26 |
                  
Re: Wavelengths
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303 |
Itatw70s
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10-Oct-18 13:49 |
                   
Re: Wavelengths
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284 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 14:33 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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322 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 06:47 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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293 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 13:38 |
   
Oh no, another pickle you've gotten yourself into
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305 |
drrayeye
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06-Oct-18 13:24 |
    
Re: Oh no, another pickle you've gotten yourself into
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307 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 13:40 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
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336 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 06:51 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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313 |
Robert Jameson
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06-Oct-18 07:36 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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329 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 08:13 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
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302 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 13:42 |
      
Rubbishing the debunkers
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304 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 14:32 |
       
Re: Rubbishing the debunkers
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332 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 17:31 |
        
Everything is just wonderful!
|
304 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 22:59 |
      
The scientific PROOF that shows reincarnation
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334 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 15:59 |
       
Re: The scientific PROOF that shows reincarnation
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313 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 17:34 |
        
The Nobel Prize
|
303 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 23:08 |
         
Re: The Nobel Prize
|
308 |
Robert Jameson
|
07-Oct-18 00:28 |
        
Re: The scientific PROOF that shows reincarnation
|
372 |
michael seabrook
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11-Oct-18 06:31 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
|
345 |
M. J. Thomas
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10-Oct-18 10:12 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
|
295 |
Robert Jameson
|
11-Oct-18 02:39 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
|
307 |
Itatw70s
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06-Oct-18 19:54 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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314 |
Susan Doris
|
07-Oct-18 05:23 |
     
Says who?
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305 |
greengirl5
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07-Oct-18 07:06 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives, if you would of read all the post
|
347 |
michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 10:50 |
      
Re: tapping into past lives, if you would of read all the post
|
315 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 20:00 |
       
Re: tapping into past lives, if you would of read all the post
|
361 |
michael seabrook
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08-Oct-18 20:47 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
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329 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 06:44 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
|
317 |
Robert Jameson
|
06-Oct-18 10:12 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
|
322 |
michael seabrook
|
06-Oct-18 11:29 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
|
322 |
Robert Jameson
|
06-Oct-18 12:10 |
     
Reinarnation = immortality
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366 |
michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 17:54 |
      
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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328 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 19:00 |
       
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
|
327 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 20:53 |
        
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
|
310 |
Susan Doris
|
08-Oct-18 05:24 |
         
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
|
344 |
michael seabrook
|
11-Oct-18 18:12 |
          
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
|
306 |
Susan Doris
|
12-Oct-18 05:27 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
|
313 |
Eddie Larry
|
10-Oct-18 18:04 |
    
connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
323 |
drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 19:04 |
     
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
309 |
Eddie Larry
|
10-Oct-18 21:34 |
      
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
319 |
Robert Jameson
|
11-Oct-18 00:37 |
       
All hugely interesting!
|
316 |
greengirl5
|
11-Oct-18 01:07 |
        
Re: All hugely interesting!
|
311 |
Robert Jameson
|
11-Oct-18 02:20 |
       
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
313 |
Eddie Larry
|
11-Oct-18 23:16 |
        
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
305 |
Robert Jameson
|
12-Oct-18 00:46 |
         
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
287 |
Susan Doris
|
12-Oct-18 05:34 |
         
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
286 |
Eddie Larry
|
13-Oct-18 02:53 |
          
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
302 |
Robert Jameson
|
13-Oct-18 05:18 |
           
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
298 |
Eddie Larry
|
13-Oct-18 15:25 |
            
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
309 |
Robert Jameson
|
13-Oct-18 17:30 |
        
Correction made
|
306 |
Robert Jameson
|
12-Oct-18 01:16 |
       
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
316 |
Eddie Larry
|
12-Oct-18 18:05 |
        
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
|
286 |
drrayeye
|
12-Oct-18 18:50 |
        
Your chair as a mirage!
|
308 |
greengirl5
|
12-Oct-18 21:00 |
         
Re: Your chair as a mirage!
|
314 |
Robert Jameson
|
13-Oct-18 01:16 |

Re: tapping into past lives, resurrected
|
336 |
michael seabrook
|
06-Oct-18 12:06 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives, resurrected
|
312 |
Robert Jameson
|
06-Oct-18 12:23 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives, resurrected
|
317 |
Susan Doris
|
06-Oct-18 14:00 |
   
So, what is consciousness?
|
338 |
greengirl5
|
06-Oct-18 14:40 |
    
Re: So, what is consciousness?
|
303 |
Susan Doris
|
06-Oct-18 17:40 |
     
Re: So, what is consciousness?
|
322 |
Itatw70s
|
06-Oct-18 20:26 |
      
Re: So, what is consciousness?
|
350 |
Eddie Larry
|
06-Oct-18 23:04 |
       
Re: So, what is consciousness?
|
292 |
Susan Doris
|
07-Oct-18 06:09 |
        
Re: So, what is consciousness?
|
343 |
Eddie Larry
|
07-Oct-18 13:22 |
         
Re: So, what is consciousness?
|
312 |
Itatw70s
|
07-Oct-18 20:35 |
     
as "far" as you know!
|
299 |
greengirl5
|
06-Oct-18 23:19 |
      
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
325 |
Robert Jameson
|
07-Oct-18 00:01 |
       
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
373 |
Eddie Larry
|
07-Oct-18 02:30 |
        
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
334 |
Robert Jameson
|
07-Oct-18 03:43 |
         
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
311 |
Susan Doris
|
07-Oct-18 06:16 |
         
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
370 |
michael seabrook
|
07-Oct-18 10:53 |
          
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
334 |
Robert Jameson
|
07-Oct-18 11:25 |
           
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
348 |
michael seabrook
|
07-Oct-18 17:57 |
        
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
322 |
Itatw70s
|
07-Oct-18 21:21 |
         
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
314 |
Eddie Larry
|
08-Oct-18 23:04 |
          
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
313 |
Itatw70s
|
09-Oct-18 15:54 |
          
Great favorite!
|
326 |
drrayeye
|
10-Oct-18 03:45 |

Re: tapping into past lives
|
331 |
Enigcom
|
08-Oct-18 23:07 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
290 |
Susan Doris
|
09-Oct-18 06:47 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
|
310 |
Enigcom
|
09-Oct-18 18:02 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
|
291 |
Robert Jameson
|
09-Oct-18 21:19 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
|
292 |
Enigcom
|
11-Oct-18 21:36 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
|
340 |
greengirl5
|
11-Oct-18 21:46 |

Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
|
319 |
Robert Jameson
|
09-Oct-18 03:31 |
 
Re: Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
|
313 |
Susan Doris
|
09-Oct-18 06:50 |
  
Re: Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
|
332 |
greengirl5
|
09-Oct-18 07:57 |
   
Re: Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
|
325 |
Susan Doris
|
09-Oct-18 18:09 |

Re: tapping into past lives
|
319 |
Redwood1
|
11-Oct-18 20:19 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
335 |
greengirl5
|
11-Oct-18 21:57 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
|
326 |
Enigcom
|
11-Oct-18 22:08 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
|
310 |
Redwood1
|
17-Oct-18 18:40 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
|
286 |
Redwood1
|
17-Oct-18 18:51 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
|
289 |
Redwood1
|
17-Oct-18 19:12 |
      
A crazy world needs a crazy explanation
|
306 |
Robert Jameson
|
17-Oct-18 23:06 |
       
Re: A crazy world needs a crazy explanation
|
303 |
Susan Doris
|
18-Oct-18 05:24 |
       
Re: A crazy world needs a crazy explanation
|
313 |
M. J. Thomas
|
18-Oct-18 09:04 |
      
Re: tapping into past lives
|
304 |
Susan Doris
|
18-Oct-18 05:11 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
367 |
Susan Doris
|
12-Oct-18 05:42 |

Re: tapping into past lives, old souls
|
384 |
michael seabrook
|
13-Oct-18 13:19 |
 
Are you a Moon Child
|
358 |
Robert Jameson
|
13-Oct-18 23:41 |
  
Re: Are you a Moon Child
|
409 |
michael seabrook
|
14-Oct-18 08:30 |

Re: tapping into past lives
|
410 |
David L
|
14-Oct-18 14:42 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
408 |
michael seabrook
|
14-Oct-18 15:58 |

Past lives and sacred rivers
|
494 |
Robert Jameson
|
23-Oct-18 11:44 |
 
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
310 |
Eddie Larry
|
23-Oct-18 17:14 |
  
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
345 |
michael seabrook
|
23-Oct-18 19:21 |
   
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
356 |
Robert Jameson
|
24-Oct-18 00:34 |
    
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
345 |
michael seabrook
|
25-Oct-18 07:54 |
     
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
358 |
Robert Jameson
|
25-Oct-18 11:41 |
      
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
309 |
Eddie Larry
|
25-Oct-18 14:04 |
      
The negative consequences of chit chat
|
313 |
drrayeye
|
25-Oct-18 20:45 |
       
Re: The negative consequences of chit chat
|
419 |
Robert Jameson
|
25-Oct-18 21:22 |
      
Bairnsdale – Valley of the children
|
343 |
Robert Jameson
|
25-Oct-18 21:16 |

Memories Of Your Ancestors Can Be Hidden In Your DNa
|
230 |
michael seabrook
|
08-Jan-20 18:24 |

Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
144 |
michael seabrook
|
11-Feb-20 21:46 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
136 |
Glass Jigsaw
|
12-Feb-20 02:23 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
134 |
Thunderbird
|
13-Feb-20 16:35 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
176 |
Robert Jameson
|
13-Feb-20 21:13 |

Re: tapping into past lives gentic memory
|
132 |
michael seabrook
|
12-Jun-20 19:39 |