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Stephen Jay Gould - The Left Wall:
Date: October 11, 2018 08:33AM
Extract from God Gametes and the Planet of the Butterfly Queen - page 271
In his book Life’s Grandeur, Stephen Jay Gould uses an analogy when outlining his case, asking us to imagine a drunk walking down the street. He depicts the drunk as the progress of life in that there is no purpose or direction to his actions or which way he will fall. We are asked to imagine that there is a wall on his left and a gutter to his right. The left wall is ‘minimum complexity’ and the gutter, ‘improved design’. He then points out that there is only one way the drunk can fall. He will most likely wobble to the left as many times as to the right. When he hits the left wall however, he will bounce back. If he keeps going he will eventually fall and it will be into the gutter.
Gould then argues that there is such a brick wall to life on earth, his rationale being that there is a minimum level of complexity necessary for life to exist. He seems to suggest that when creatures hit this wall they bounce back and take the only option available and this is to evolve greater complexity.
He assumes there is a level of complexity supporting life, yet the Darwinian paradigm does not provide any mechanism for supporting minimum complexity. It is true that if the complexity of creatures falls below a certain level, they will cease to live. Ceasing to live, however, is different from bouncing back. What is it that stops the level of complexity falling below the minimum required to support life? It seems contradictory for Gould to suggest there is a property of life (or by analogy his left brick wall) for Darwinists argue that there is no preferred status for life to exist.
Individuals can die and species can become extinct, so a more accurate Darwinian analogy would be a ‘left cliff’. Any creature that devolved below the minimum level of complexity needed to support life would fall over this cliff, never to be seen again.
We are told that 99.9% of species have become extinct. This would suggest that there is no left wall protecting living creatures from the perils of extinction. It might also be worthwhile looking at why so many species have suffered this fate. The left wall analogy implies that these are species that fell to the left (minimum complexity) and did not bounce back, yet this does not appear to be the case. Most unsuccessful species are those that fell the other way. They attempted to make a living by evolving greater complexity and failed to adapt when environmental conditions changed.
Gould’s analogy does not explain why species tend to evolve greater complexity when there is no left wall bouncing them in that direction. And ‘falling into the gutter’ is not a good simile for evolving complexity. A better comparison would be to suggest that our drunk suddenly did a triple pirouette off the back foot, leaped 30 feet into the air and landed amidst oncoming traffic on other side of the street. This would paint a clearer picture of the developmental processes involved and also suggest a reason for the high incidents of extinctions associated with evolving greater complexity.
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Why they get so mad at you
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drrayeye
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09-Oct-18 13:05 |
              
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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michael seabrook
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11-Oct-18 18:03 |
               
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 21:23 |
                
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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greengirl5
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11-Oct-18 21:43 |
                 
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 22:16 |
                  
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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greengirl5
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12-Oct-18 01:16 |
                  
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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michael seabrook
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12-Oct-18 16:42 |
                
Re: Why they get so mad at you
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Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 05:23 |
                 
Shame on you
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drrayeye
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12-Oct-18 16:29 |
                  
Re: Shame on you
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michael seabrook
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12-Oct-18 16:50 |
                   
Re: Shame on you
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Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 18:00 |
                    
Re: Shame on you
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drrayeye
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12-Oct-18 19:55 |
                     
Re: Shame on you
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michael seabrook
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12-Oct-18 21:11 |
             
Why I still read and respond (sometimes) to your posts
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drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 04:05 |
              
Re: Why I still read and respond (sometimes) to your posts
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Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 05:50 |
               
Feedback
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drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 14:51 |
                
Re: Feedback
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Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 19:20 |
           
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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Itatw70s
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08-Oct-18 21:47 |
            
Re: Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe
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312 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 06:45 |
             
Wavelengths
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290 |
greengirl5
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09-Oct-18 08:20 |
              
Re: Wavelengths
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315 |
Itatw70s
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09-Oct-18 15:37 |
               
Re: Wavelengths
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293 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 18:03 |
                
Discussions
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greengirl5
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09-Oct-18 21:53 |
                
Re: Wavelengths
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Itatw70s
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10-Oct-18 00:34 |
                 
Re: Wavelengths
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297 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 12:26 |
                  
Re: Wavelengths
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Itatw70s
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10-Oct-18 13:49 |
                   
Re: Wavelengths
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284 |
Susan Doris
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10-Oct-18 14:33 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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322 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 06:47 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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293 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 13:38 |
   
Oh no, another pickle you've gotten yourself into
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drrayeye
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06-Oct-18 13:24 |
    
Re: Oh no, another pickle you've gotten yourself into
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307 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 13:40 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
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336 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 06:51 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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313 |
Robert Jameson
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06-Oct-18 07:36 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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329 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 08:13 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
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302 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 13:42 |
      
Rubbishing the debunkers
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304 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 14:32 |
       
Re: Rubbishing the debunkers
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332 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 17:31 |
        
Everything is just wonderful!
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304 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 22:59 |
      
The scientific PROOF that shows reincarnation
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michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 15:59 |
       
Re: The scientific PROOF that shows reincarnation
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Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 17:34 |
        
The Nobel Prize
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greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 23:08 |
         
Re: The Nobel Prize
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308 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 00:28 |
        
Re: The scientific PROOF that shows reincarnation
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372 |
michael seabrook
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11-Oct-18 06:31 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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345 |
M. J. Thomas
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10-Oct-18 10:12 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
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295 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 02:39 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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307 |
Itatw70s
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06-Oct-18 19:54 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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314 |
Susan Doris
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07-Oct-18 05:23 |
     
Says who?
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greengirl5
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07-Oct-18 07:06 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives, if you would of read all the post
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347 |
michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 10:50 |
      
Re: tapping into past lives, if you would of read all the post
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315 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 20:00 |
       
Re: tapping into past lives, if you would of read all the post
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361 |
michael seabrook
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08-Oct-18 20:47 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
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329 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 06:44 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
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317 |
Robert Jameson
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06-Oct-18 10:12 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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322 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 11:29 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
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322 |
Robert Jameson
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06-Oct-18 12:10 |
     
Reinarnation = immortality
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michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 17:54 |
      
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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328 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 19:00 |
       
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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327 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 20:53 |
        
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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310 |
Susan Doris
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08-Oct-18 05:24 |
         
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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344 |
michael seabrook
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11-Oct-18 18:12 |
          
Re: Reinarnation = immortality
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306 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 05:27 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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313 |
Eddie Larry
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10-Oct-18 18:04 |
    
connecting the physical with the spiritual
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323 |
drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 19:04 |
     
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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309 |
Eddie Larry
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10-Oct-18 21:34 |
      
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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319 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 00:37 |
       
All hugely interesting!
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316 |
greengirl5
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11-Oct-18 01:07 |
        
Re: All hugely interesting!
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311 |
Robert Jameson
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11-Oct-18 02:20 |
       
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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313 |
Eddie Larry
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11-Oct-18 23:16 |
        
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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305 |
Robert Jameson
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12-Oct-18 00:46 |
         
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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287 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 05:34 |
         
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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286 |
Eddie Larry
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13-Oct-18 02:53 |
          
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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302 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Oct-18 05:18 |
           
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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298 |
Eddie Larry
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13-Oct-18 15:25 |
            
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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309 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Oct-18 17:30 |
        
Correction made
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306 |
Robert Jameson
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12-Oct-18 01:16 |
       
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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316 |
Eddie Larry
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12-Oct-18 18:05 |
        
Re: connecting the physical with the spiritual
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286 |
drrayeye
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12-Oct-18 18:50 |
        
Your chair as a mirage!
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308 |
greengirl5
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12-Oct-18 21:00 |
         
Re: Your chair as a mirage!
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314 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Oct-18 01:16 |

Re: tapping into past lives, resurrected
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336 |
michael seabrook
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06-Oct-18 12:06 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives, resurrected
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312 |
Robert Jameson
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06-Oct-18 12:23 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives, resurrected
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317 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 14:00 |
   
So, what is consciousness?
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338 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 14:40 |
    
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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303 |
Susan Doris
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06-Oct-18 17:40 |
     
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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321 |
Itatw70s
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06-Oct-18 20:26 |
      
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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350 |
Eddie Larry
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06-Oct-18 23:04 |
       
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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292 |
Susan Doris
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07-Oct-18 06:09 |
        
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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343 |
Eddie Larry
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07-Oct-18 13:22 |
         
Re: So, what is consciousness?
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312 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 20:35 |
     
as "far" as you know!
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299 |
greengirl5
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06-Oct-18 23:19 |
      
Re: as "far" as you know!
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325 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 00:01 |
       
Re: as "far" as you know!
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373 |
Eddie Larry
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07-Oct-18 02:30 |
        
Re: as "far" as you know!
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334 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 03:43 |
         
Re: as "far" as you know!
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311 |
Susan Doris
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07-Oct-18 06:16 |
         
Re: as "far" as you know!
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370 |
michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 10:53 |
          
Re: as "far" as you know!
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334 |
Robert Jameson
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07-Oct-18 11:25 |
           
Re: as "far" as you know!
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348 |
michael seabrook
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07-Oct-18 17:57 |
        
Re: as "far" as you know!
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322 |
Itatw70s
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07-Oct-18 21:21 |
         
Re: as "far" as you know!
|
314 |
Eddie Larry
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08-Oct-18 23:04 |
          
Re: as "far" as you know!
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313 |
Itatw70s
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09-Oct-18 15:54 |
          
Great favorite!
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326 |
drrayeye
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10-Oct-18 03:45 |

Re: tapping into past lives
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331 |
Enigcom
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08-Oct-18 23:07 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
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290 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 06:47 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
|
310 |
Enigcom
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09-Oct-18 18:02 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
|
291 |
Robert Jameson
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09-Oct-18 21:19 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
|
292 |
Enigcom
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11-Oct-18 21:36 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
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340 |
greengirl5
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11-Oct-18 21:46 |

Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
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319 |
Robert Jameson
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09-Oct-18 03:31 |
 
Re: Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
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313 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 06:50 |
  
Re: Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
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332 |
greengirl5
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09-Oct-18 07:57 |
   
Re: Nexus article – souls recall life between lives
|
325 |
Susan Doris
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09-Oct-18 18:09 |

Re: tapping into past lives
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319 |
Redwood1
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11-Oct-18 20:19 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
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335 |
greengirl5
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11-Oct-18 21:57 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives
|
326 |
Enigcom
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11-Oct-18 22:08 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives
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310 |
Redwood1
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17-Oct-18 18:40 |
    
Re: tapping into past lives
|
286 |
Redwood1
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17-Oct-18 18:51 |
     
Re: tapping into past lives
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289 |
Redwood1
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17-Oct-18 19:12 |
      
A crazy world needs a crazy explanation
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306 |
Robert Jameson
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17-Oct-18 23:06 |
       
Re: A crazy world needs a crazy explanation
|
303 |
Susan Doris
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18-Oct-18 05:24 |
       
Re: A crazy world needs a crazy explanation
|
313 |
M. J. Thomas
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18-Oct-18 09:04 |
      
Re: tapping into past lives
|
304 |
Susan Doris
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18-Oct-18 05:11 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
367 |
Susan Doris
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12-Oct-18 05:42 |

Re: tapping into past lives, old souls
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384 |
michael seabrook
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13-Oct-18 13:19 |
 
Are you a Moon Child
|
358 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Oct-18 23:41 |
  
Re: Are you a Moon Child
|
409 |
michael seabrook
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14-Oct-18 08:30 |

Re: tapping into past lives
|
410 |
David L
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14-Oct-18 14:42 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives
|
408 |
michael seabrook
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14-Oct-18 15:58 |

Past lives and sacred rivers
|
494 |
Robert Jameson
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23-Oct-18 11:44 |
 
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
310 |
Eddie Larry
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23-Oct-18 17:14 |
  
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
345 |
michael seabrook
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23-Oct-18 19:21 |
   
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
356 |
Robert Jameson
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24-Oct-18 00:34 |
    
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
345 |
michael seabrook
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25-Oct-18 07:54 |
     
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
358 |
Robert Jameson
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25-Oct-18 11:41 |
      
Re: Past lives and sacred rivers
|
309 |
Eddie Larry
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25-Oct-18 14:04 |
      
The negative consequences of chit chat
|
313 |
drrayeye
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25-Oct-18 20:45 |
       
Re: The negative consequences of chit chat
|
419 |
Robert Jameson
|
25-Oct-18 21:22 |
      
Bairnsdale – Valley of the children
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343 |
Robert Jameson
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25-Oct-18 21:16 |

Memories Of Your Ancestors Can Be Hidden In Your DNa
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230 |
michael seabrook
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08-Jan-20 18:24 |

Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
144 |
michael seabrook
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11-Feb-20 21:46 |
 
Re: tapping into past lives good info here
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136 |
Glass Jigsaw
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12-Feb-20 02:23 |
  
Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
134 |
Thunderbird
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13-Feb-20 16:35 |
   
Re: tapping into past lives good info here
|
176 |
Robert Jameson
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13-Feb-20 21:13 |

Re: tapping into past lives gentic memory
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132 |
michael seabrook
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12-Jun-20 19:39 |