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This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that.
There is enough known about the functions of the brain, the various chemical and electrical changes that occur in the brain, to say with confidence that happiness is something all humans experience, whatever actual label they use to articulate it. Not every 'i' has been dotted, nor every 't' crossed, yet, but I think that you would agree that a great deal is known. The same applies to sadness of course. And since we are animals, similar effects in the brain have, I believe, been registered in many species.
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So, why ask others such impossible questions?
Well, I wouldn't call them 'impossible'! And where would discussion forums be without questions of all sorts?!!
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Let me be clear about another thing, Lloyd. I don't think that Susan's question or her topic here is 'silly'. On the contrary, I think it's worthy of discussion which is not something I find here a lot anymore.
Thank you for saying.
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At the end of the day, Susan believes that there is no sin and that we only make mistakes. That, I would say, is incorrect and is not very well considered. I would say, further, that the reason why it isn't considered is because Susan has a very strong secular bias. To say that a serial pedophile, rapist, etc etc etc simply makes "mistakes" is, in my opinion, not silly but ridiculous.
I agree - which is why I have not said that. I used the word 'mistake' at the start but have since qualified it many times.

Susan

That said, I agree with Nolondil that Susan has raised an indirectly related point here, that being the extent to which we are guilt driven by people who would make us feel incarerated by such things, if we let them.

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Sin - do you?! 1252 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 264 PB Bytes 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 252 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 250 PB Bytes 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 254 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 243 PB Bytes 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 243 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 240 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 227 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 243 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 220 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 208 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 243 PB Bytes 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 220 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 233 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 230 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 243 PB Bytes 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 299 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 247 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 277 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 249 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 223 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 224 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 241 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 233 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 268 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 249 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 283 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 220 PB Bytes 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 225 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 227 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 225 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 233 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 216 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 243 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 327 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 221 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 233 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 216 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 238 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 218 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 248 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 PB Bytes 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 222 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 245 PB Bytes 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 225 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 230 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 223 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 222 PB Bytes 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 238 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 287 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 265 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 262 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 244 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 236 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 218 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 225 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 223 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 226 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 244 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 218 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 212 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 273 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 240 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 295 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 258 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 304 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 225 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 232 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 208 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 227 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 243 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 212 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 247 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 221 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 274 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 212 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 206 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 231 PB Bytes 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 229 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 213 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 281 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 238 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 226 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 264 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 216 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 230 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 229 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 207 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 232 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 244 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 216 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 264 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 218 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 232 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 226 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 231 PB Bytes 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 218 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 230 PB Bytes 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 226 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 255 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 252 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 245 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 297 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 216 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 255 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 233 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 265 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 237 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 233 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 258 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 218 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 228 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 258 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 231 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 239 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 212 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 208 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 222 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 266 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 307 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 224 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 217 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 238 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 248 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 216 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 233 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 218 PB Bytes 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 228 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 240 PB Bytes 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 228 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 225 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 226 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 219 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 216 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 237 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 216 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 235 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 306 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 232 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 225 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 243 PB Bytes 31-May-18 17:35
Job 241 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 230 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 254 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 277 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 348 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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