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This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that. So, why ask others such impossible questions?

I apologize. I know this question was NOT directed at me, but is in the open forum (not a private message), so please excuse me for responding.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? Job had three friends, I don't recall their names offhand, though often the meaning of a persons name (in Scripture) plays a significant role in the underlying intent of the story itself. I digress...

Job was a devout man, strong in his faith in God and his convictions about how God dealt with man (in all aspects of life). Anyway, this time was a time when Satan still had access to the throne of God (well, at least to G_D's presence. So Satan paid the LORD a visit, and the LORD began bragging over Job. Of course Satan (being the accuser), brought up accusations against Job based on how well God had treated Job. Satan said if G_D hadn't been so kind, Job would never have been so devout. And G_D permitted Satan to do all sorts of things to Job, anything but harm Job physically. Job passed this test. Satan argues still against him, and God at last permits Satan to afflict Job physically. Job got to a point where he was in genuinely bad shape, emotionally and physically.

All this while Job's three friends visited him, presenting their advice to him, advice based upon presumptions, and not a one of them were on the mark. Job was faithful throughout. But job listened to each friend intently, never dismissing them before hearing them out. Sometimes a person just needs to hear what others have to say in order to better understand things, situations, events, life's path in general, sometimes a friend needs to learn they're not accurately depicting the truth, despite well-intent.

So Job listens to each of his friends explanation for his sudden several and severe misfortunes. And Job begins to wish he had never been born, yada-yada-yada, but not once does Job blame or defame G_D in any manner, he basically ponders the reason for his continued existence.

This angers the LORD and the LORD answers Job by asking many impossible questions and pointing out specifics of the creation as an whole, matter Job couldn't possibly have known an answer to. In the end, Job stops complaining and understands that sometimes, Crap just happens even to good people. And the latter end was Job, who had remained steadfast in his faith in G_D was rewarded by having many time more than before G_D had ever permitted Satan to interfere.

What's the point I'm attempting to stress here? Sometimes we all need an ear to listen, other times we need to lend an ear to help other's understanding (even to impossible questions or ridiculous accusations). It's how we grow, individually, and as co-conspirators on our journey through life. Without asking hard questions, how are we to discover difficult answers.

As a member of the forum, in good standing so far as I am aware, all questions are valid and viable for discussion.
As important (perhaps more so) no one ought to be attacked personally for asking a question, even a silly impertinent one so long as its on topic (Susan opened this thread, if I am not mistaken, but it would not be the first time I've been wrong, and won't likely be the last (if I remain true to form).

My personal opine only.
:)

What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

— Ecclesiastes 1:3-4

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Sin - do you?! 1231 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 242 PB Bytes 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 231 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 PB Bytes 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 237 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 227 PB Bytes 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 225 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 207 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 221 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 219 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 206 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 227 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 215 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 204 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 193 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 226 PB Bytes 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 204 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 216 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 215 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 222 PB Bytes 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 280 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 218 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 230 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 260 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 228 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 207 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 207 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 224 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 218 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 247 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 233 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 262 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 204 PB Bytes 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 208 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 210 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 203 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 218 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 202 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 220 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 311 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 205 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 217 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 201 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 203 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 223 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 203 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 225 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 219 PB Bytes 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 206 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 231 PB Bytes 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 209 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 215 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 208 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 207 PB Bytes 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 224 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 271 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 251 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 240 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 225 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 220 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 201 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 211 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 204 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 212 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 227 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 203 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 195 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 256 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 223 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 280 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 244 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 287 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 211 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 218 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 193 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 210 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 228 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 197 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 233 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 199 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 260 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 196 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 190 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 209 PB Bytes 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 212 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 198 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 256 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 223 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 210 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 241 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 201 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 215 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 215 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 192 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 209 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 227 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 200 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 246 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 201 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 215 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 208 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 216 PB Bytes 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 201 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 212 PB Bytes 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 210 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 240 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 230 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 229 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 281 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 202 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 234 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 211 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 249 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 213 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 218 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 243 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 202 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 203 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 238 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 213 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 222 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 197 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 193 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 209 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 252 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 284 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 209 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 202 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 224 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 225 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 200 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 214 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 203 PB Bytes 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 210 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 222 PB Bytes 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 213 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 210 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 210 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 201 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 199 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 223 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 202 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 214 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 279 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 215 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 209 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 229 PB Bytes 31-May-18 17:35
Job 226 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 216 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 238 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 254 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 329 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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