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This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that. So, why ask others such impossible questions?

I apologize. I know this question was NOT directed at me, but is in the open forum (not a private message), so please excuse me for responding.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? Job had three friends, I don't recall their names offhand, though often the meaning of a persons name (in Scripture) plays a significant role in the underlying intent of the story itself. I digress...

Job was a devout man, strong in his faith in God and his convictions about how God dealt with man (in all aspects of life). Anyway, this time was a time when Satan still had access to the throne of God (well, at least to G_D's presence. So Satan paid the LORD a visit, and the LORD began bragging over Job. Of course Satan (being the accuser), brought up accusations against Job based on how well God had treated Job. Satan said if G_D hadn't been so kind, Job would never have been so devout. And G_D permitted Satan to do all sorts of things to Job, anything but harm Job physically. Job passed this test. Satan argues still against him, and God at last permits Satan to afflict Job physically. Job got to a point where he was in genuinely bad shape, emotionally and physically.

All this while Job's three friends visited him, presenting their advice to him, advice based upon presumptions, and not a one of them were on the mark. Job was faithful throughout. But job listened to each friend intently, never dismissing them before hearing them out. Sometimes a person just needs to hear what others have to say in order to better understand things, situations, events, life's path in general, sometimes a friend needs to learn they're not accurately depicting the truth, despite well-intent.

So Job listens to each of his friends explanation for his sudden several and severe misfortunes. And Job begins to wish he had never been born, yada-yada-yada, but not once does Job blame or defame G_D in any manner, he basically ponders the reason for his continued existence.

This angers the LORD and the LORD answers Job by asking many impossible questions and pointing out specifics of the creation as an whole, matter Job couldn't possibly have known an answer to. In the end, Job stops complaining and understands that sometimes, Crap just happens even to good people. And the latter end was Job, who had remained steadfast in his faith in G_D was rewarded by having many time more than before G_D had ever permitted Satan to interfere.

What's the point I'm attempting to stress here? Sometimes we all need an ear to listen, other times we need to lend an ear to help other's understanding (even to impossible questions or ridiculous accusations). It's how we grow, individually, and as co-conspirators on our journey through life. Without asking hard questions, how are we to discover difficult answers.

As a member of the forum, in good standing so far as I am aware, all questions are valid and viable for discussion.
As important (perhaps more so) no one ought to be attacked personally for asking a question, even a silly impertinent one so long as its on topic (Susan opened this thread, if I am not mistaken, but it would not be the first time I've been wrong, and won't likely be the last (if I remain true to form).

My personal opine only.
:)

What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

— Ecclesiastes 1:3-4

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Sin - do you?! 1248 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 255 PB Bytes 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 246 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 247 PB Bytes 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 249 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 238 PB Bytes 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 239 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 218 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 231 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 230 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 216 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 240 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 225 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 215 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 204 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 237 PB Bytes 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 215 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 226 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 PB Bytes 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 293 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 243 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 270 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 240 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 219 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 218 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 235 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 229 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 258 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 245 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 272 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 216 PB Bytes 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 218 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 221 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 215 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 229 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 212 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 232 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 323 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 215 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 229 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 211 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 213 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 233 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 214 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 237 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 PB Bytes 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 241 PB Bytes 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 220 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 226 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 220 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 PB Bytes 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 235 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 282 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 262 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 251 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 236 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 232 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 214 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 222 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 215 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 222 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 239 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 214 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 207 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 267 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 234 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 291 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 255 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 299 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 221 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 228 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 203 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 222 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 239 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 208 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 243 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 211 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 271 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 207 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 201 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 221 PB Bytes 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 224 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 209 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 270 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 233 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 221 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 253 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 213 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 226 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 226 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 204 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 220 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 239 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 212 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 260 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 214 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 227 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 221 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 227 PB Bytes 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 212 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 223 PB Bytes 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 221 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 251 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 240 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 240 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 292 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 213 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 247 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 222 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 260 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 224 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 230 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 253 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 214 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 215 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 250 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 226 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 234 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 207 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 204 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 219 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 263 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 297 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 219 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 213 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 234 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 236 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 211 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 227 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 214 PB Bytes 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 221 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 234 PB Bytes 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 225 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 221 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 221 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 213 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 210 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 233 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 213 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 227 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 296 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 226 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 221 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 240 PB Bytes 31-May-18 17:35
Job 236 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 226 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 249 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 265 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 343 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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