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"secularism implies an absence of privilege for religious authorities in national and local government, and the freedom to believe in whatever god you wish. I am not ‘forced‘ to deny the possibility you mention,"

Susan, regarding Ray, I am not saying that you are trying to obfuscate anything. However, you are forced to do this, if you insist on upholding the secularist party line which says there can be no 'sin' based on any authority. And this is exactly what you do constantly, when you make generalizations.

The 'astonishingly small' bit, although laudable for you to acknowledge, (leaving aside the fact that such matters cannot be quantified), is not permitted in secularism which insists on denying all extraneous influences such as God. This comes up every time a specific issue is raised. Secularism simply denies, denies and denies.

Sure, your question was a fair one in general. But since it is based on abstract thinking, it is very much like how we experience the very real experiences of happiness etc. As such, while fair it is quite beside the point. You can't even clarify what sin is or is not. All you can do is try to put it into a conceptual box where it 'must' be a mistake, according to your secularist thinking.



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Sin - do you?! 1246 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 255 PB Bytes 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 245 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 246 PB Bytes 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 249 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 237 PB Bytes 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 238 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 218 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 231 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 216 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 239 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 224 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 215 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 204 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 237 PB Bytes 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 215 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 226 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 232 PB Bytes 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 292 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 228 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 242 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 270 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 239 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 219 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 217 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 235 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 229 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 258 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 245 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 272 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 215 PB Bytes 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 218 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 220 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 214 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 228 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 211 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 231 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 323 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 215 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 228 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 211 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 213 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 233 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 213 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 237 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 PB Bytes 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 241 PB Bytes 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 220 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 226 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 220 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 PB Bytes 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 282 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 261 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 249 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 235 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 231 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 213 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 221 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 215 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 222 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 238 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 214 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 207 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 267 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 234 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 291 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 253 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 299 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 221 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 228 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 203 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 221 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 238 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 208 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 242 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 211 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 270 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 206 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 201 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 221 PB Bytes 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 224 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 208 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 270 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 233 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 221 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 252 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 213 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 226 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 225 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 204 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 219 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 239 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 210 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 260 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 213 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 227 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 220 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 227 PB Bytes 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 212 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 223 PB Bytes 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 220 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 251 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 240 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 239 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 292 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 213 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 246 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 222 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 260 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 223 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 229 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 253 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 213 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 213 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 250 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 226 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 234 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 207 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 204 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 218 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 263 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 297 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 218 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 212 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 233 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 235 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 210 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 226 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 213 PB Bytes 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 221 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 233 PB Bytes 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 225 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 221 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 220 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 213 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 209 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 233 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 213 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 227 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 295 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 225 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 220 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 239 PB Bytes 31-May-18 17:35
Job 236 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 226 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 249 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 264 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 341 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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