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Your secular beliefs literally force you to deny such a
possibility, that any such 'authority' exists.
I’m not sure what ‘secular beliefs’ are, but I’d say that secularism implies an absence of privilege for religious authorities in national and local government, and the freedom to believe in whatever god you wish. I am not ‘forced‘ to denythe possibility you mention, since there must always be a (vanishingly small) margin that such a god/authority or something might turn up one day.

I think my question was a fair one in response to what Ray said. If he believes that something is a sin, as against being a very seriously wrong-doing, then I think it is reasonable to wonder what the reference point or authority is which decides him.

The comparison of sin to happiness or sadness does not work. Neither of the latter two has an imaginary god or authority connected with it.
Susan

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Sin - do you?! 1245 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 254 PB Bytes 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 244 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 244 PB Bytes 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 246 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 236 PB Bytes 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 236 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 228 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 214 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 237 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 223 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 214 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 202 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 235 PB Bytes 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 213 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 228 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 223 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 231 PB Bytes 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 289 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 227 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 240 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 269 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 238 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 217 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 216 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 233 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 227 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 257 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 243 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 270 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 213 PB Bytes 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 219 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 213 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 227 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 210 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 230 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 320 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 213 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 226 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 210 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 211 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 232 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 212 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 235 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 228 PB Bytes 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 214 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 239 PB Bytes 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 218 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 224 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 219 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 216 PB Bytes 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 233 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 281 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 259 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 248 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 233 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 228 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 212 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 219 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 212 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 221 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 237 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 211 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 206 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 265 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 232 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 289 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 252 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 297 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 219 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 226 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 201 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 219 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 237 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 207 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 241 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 208 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 268 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 205 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 199 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 219 PB Bytes 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 222 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 207 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 267 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 232 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 219 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 250 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 211 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 224 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 223 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 201 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 217 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 237 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 209 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 257 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 211 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 225 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 219 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 224 PB Bytes 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 209 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 221 PB Bytes 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 219 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 249 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 239 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 237 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 289 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 210 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 245 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 221 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 257 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 221 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 228 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 252 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 211 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 212 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 248 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 223 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 233 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 205 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 202 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 217 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 261 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 296 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 217 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 210 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 232 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 234 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 209 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 225 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 212 PB Bytes 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 219 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 232 PB Bytes 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 222 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 219 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 219 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 211 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 208 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 231 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 211 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 225 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 295 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 224 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 219 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 238 PB Bytes 31-May-18 17:35
Job 235 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 224 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 246 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 263 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 340 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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