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laughin Wrote:

> But some kind radiation has, in the past, been
> what they tried to make gravity to be
> all part of the "unification of the forces)
> process

This is incorrect. they are talking about teh unification of different forces/interactions. You use the word radiation as if it has only one meaning pertaining to EM. Alpha and beta radiation for example are particles, you get proton, and heavy ion radiation treatment for some cancers. The Weak force is mediated by W and Z bosons, and these are not EM radiation, but yet The EM force is unified with the Weak force at high energies. Your view is far too simplistic and misunderstood.


> whatever it is, HAS to travel faster than light,
> because the effect of gravity does
> [grahamhancock.com]
> ,1040448#msg-1040448

Actually no. Gravity in a Newtonian gravity framework is instantaneous. In general relativity it has a finite speed, that of the speed of light. Gravitational waves cannot exist is Newtonian gravity. that is why this result is such a milestone, as it once again proves that the framework for general relativity is correct, and that Newtonian gravity is not correct, although the latter is a good approximation for slow speeds and small mass.

> So they are saying that space is rippling, not
> that some particle is traveling THRU space FTL
> also, remember, space isn't made of particles (so
> get any ideas of aether out of your head right
> now)
> If a ripple of "space" (chuckle) can travel faster
> than light can travel through it
> then GR isn't violated,
> the effect can be as fast as needed
> and if no particles are exchanged
> no bosons or gravitons needed
> (bosons!, we don't need no stinking bosons)
> which explains why they haven't been found!!!!
>

Like all waves, gravitational waves are energy propagation through space. In the case of gravitational waves, this is manifested through the waving of space-time, just like an electromagnetic wave is a waving teh the electromagnetic field. Just like the electromagnetic field, no medium is required to carry the wave (unlike sound waves for example). As to why gravitons havent been found. Since gravitons are the quantised vibration of the gravitational field (much as photons are the quantised vibration of the EM field), and since an ensemble of gravitons would make up a gravitational wave (much like an ensemble of photons make up an EM wave), and since we have only just developed apparatus sensitive enough to detect gravitational waves, I think you are asking too much as to why we have not yet found gravitons!


> Hey, I'm just trying to interpret their "findings"
> before the Nobel
> (it looks better to have the story straight
> beforehand)

> now the big question...?
> what's shakin'? (an old hippy expression :) )
> what (and how) is grabbing ahold of space and
> shaking it?
> especially since there is nothing to grab ahold
> of.....

It is an interesting question, and general relativity is not the end of the subject on how nature works, since at the quatum level it breaks down. When, or if, we ever develope a completely consistant theory of quantum gravity your big question may be answered...or not.

BTW, its best to refer to them as gravitational waves. Gravity waves are something entirely different [en.wikipedia.org]

Jonny

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gravity waves "detected" 1561 laughin 11-Feb-16 16:34
Re: gravity waves "detected" 570 Susan Doris 11-Feb-16 17:44
Re: gravity waves "detected" 459 Sirius7237 11-Feb-16 18:30
Re: gravity waves "detected" 561 laughin 11-Feb-16 21:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 478 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:23
Re: gravity waves "detected" 519 laughin 12-Feb-16 15:51
Re: gravity waves "detected" 360 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 16:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 466 laughin 13-Feb-16 18:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 516 JonnyMcA 13-Feb-16 18:41
Re: gravity waves "detected" 582 Me 15-Feb-16 15:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 434 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 470 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 368 D-Archer 14-Feb-16 11:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 383 carolb 14-Feb-16 14:54
Re: gravity waves "detected" 381 Sirius7237 14-Feb-16 20:08
Re: gravity waves "detected" 482 carolb 14-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 494 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 419 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:59
Re: gravity waves "detected" 394 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 435 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:29
Re: gravity waves "detected" 347 laughin 14-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 288 skakos 15-Feb-16 14:07
Re: gravity waves "detected" 380 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 21:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 502 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:38
Onto Dark Energy waves! 441 Eddie Larry 11-Feb-16 21:34
It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 296 David L 12-Feb-16 12:50
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 386 Spiros 12-Feb-16 17:09
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 450 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 12:47
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 461 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:15
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 411 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 18:53
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 433 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:39
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 371 Aine 16-Feb-16 01:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 499 dong 12-Feb-16 18:36
Re: gravity waves "detected" 493 laughin 13-Feb-16 03:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 414 dong 16-Feb-16 07:41
Liego 409 laughin 15-Feb-16 04:17
Gravity Waves of Propaganda the Sequel 403 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 485 skakos 15-Feb-16 12:58
Re: gravity waves "detected" 449 Aine 15-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 320 carolb 16-Feb-16 00:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 397 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 11:47
Re: gravity waves "detected" 536 carolb 16-Feb-16 12:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 352 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 14:13
Re: gravity waves "detected" 367 carolb 16-Feb-16 14:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 339 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 15:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 469 carolb 16-Feb-16 16:27
Re: gravity waves "detected" 478 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 14:08
Really? 367 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:11
Re: Really? 475 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:32
Re: Really? 465 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 15:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 466 carolb 17-Feb-16 18:05
mods! 420 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 11:13
Re: mods! 503 carolb 18-Feb-16 14:14
Re: mods! 500 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 16:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 581 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 01:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 401 Aine 17-Feb-16 14:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 443 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 333 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:39
Re: gravity waves "detected" 409 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 17:37
Re: gravity waves "detected" 495 Aine 17-Feb-16 18:49
Re: gravity waves "detected" 441 laughin 16-Feb-16 20:24
Re: gravity waves "detected" 289 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 16:23
Gravy Waves 605 D-Archer 20-Feb-16 11:39
Playing devil’s advocate on the discovery of gravitational waves 550 laughin 02-Mar-16 18:23
Scientists: we're 100% convinced 374 laughin 07-Mar-16 17:13
Black holes and big bangs can't co-exist 474 laughin 13-Mar-16 04:52
Re: gravity waves "detected" 411 brett z 20-Apr-16 23:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 419 laughin 21-Apr-16 14:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 337 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:45
Re: gravity waves "detected" 318 laughin 10-May-16 13:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 355 OCaptain 10-May-16 13:21
Re: gravity waves "detected" 401 laughin 10-May-16 19:25
Re: gravity waves "detected" 512 OCaptain 10-May-16 22:56
Re: gravity waves "detected" 412 laughin 11-May-16 15:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 512 JonnyMcA 11-May-16 16:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 514 laughin 12-May-16 16:26
pompousness "detected" 452 laughin 18-May-16 15:25
bump- 2 weeks 552 laughin 27-May-16 15:02
Re: bump- 3 weeks 492 laughin 02-Jun-16 23:20
Re: bump- 4 weeks and why isn't Carolb patrolling the threads 483 laughin 10-Jun-16 15:42
Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 465 laughin 04-May-16 13:15
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 473 D-Archer 09-May-16 19:05
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 290 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:46
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 503 laughin 10-May-16 13:27
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 342 OCaptain 10-May-16 16:39
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 397 laughin 10-May-16 19:10
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LIGO press conf, June 15 431 brett z 15-Jun-16 11:53
Re: LIGO press conf, June 15 415 D-Archer 15-Jun-16 14:48


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