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laughin Wrote:

> But some kind radiation has, in the past, been
> what they tried to make gravity to be
> all part of the "unification of the forces)
> process

This is incorrect. they are talking about teh unification of different forces/interactions. You use the word radiation as if it has only one meaning pertaining to EM. Alpha and beta radiation for example are particles, you get proton, and heavy ion radiation treatment for some cancers. The Weak force is mediated by W and Z bosons, and these are not EM radiation, but yet The EM force is unified with the Weak force at high energies. Your view is far too simplistic and misunderstood.


> whatever it is, HAS to travel faster than light,
> because the effect of gravity does
> [grahamhancock.com]
> ,1040448#msg-1040448

Actually no. Gravity in a Newtonian gravity framework is instantaneous. In general relativity it has a finite speed, that of the speed of light. Gravitational waves cannot exist is Newtonian gravity. that is why this result is such a milestone, as it once again proves that the framework for general relativity is correct, and that Newtonian gravity is not correct, although the latter is a good approximation for slow speeds and small mass.

> So they are saying that space is rippling, not
> that some particle is traveling THRU space FTL
> also, remember, space isn't made of particles (so
> get any ideas of aether out of your head right
> now)
> If a ripple of "space" (chuckle) can travel faster
> than light can travel through it
> then GR isn't violated,
> the effect can be as fast as needed
> and if no particles are exchanged
> no bosons or gravitons needed
> (bosons!, we don't need no stinking bosons)
> which explains why they haven't been found!!!!
>

Like all waves, gravitational waves are energy propagation through space. In the case of gravitational waves, this is manifested through the waving of space-time, just like an electromagnetic wave is a waving teh the electromagnetic field. Just like the electromagnetic field, no medium is required to carry the wave (unlike sound waves for example). As to why gravitons havent been found. Since gravitons are the quantised vibration of the gravitational field (much as photons are the quantised vibration of the EM field), and since an ensemble of gravitons would make up a gravitational wave (much like an ensemble of photons make up an EM wave), and since we have only just developed apparatus sensitive enough to detect gravitational waves, I think you are asking too much as to why we have not yet found gravitons!


> Hey, I'm just trying to interpret their "findings"
> before the Nobel
> (it looks better to have the story straight
> beforehand)

> now the big question...?
> what's shakin'? (an old hippy expression :) )
> what (and how) is grabbing ahold of space and
> shaking it?
> especially since there is nothing to grab ahold
> of.....

It is an interesting question, and general relativity is not the end of the subject on how nature works, since at the quatum level it breaks down. When, or if, we ever develope a completely consistant theory of quantum gravity your big question may be answered...or not.

BTW, its best to refer to them as gravitational waves. Gravity waves are something entirely different [en.wikipedia.org]

Jonny

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gravity waves "detected" 1593 laughin 11-Feb-16 16:34
Re: gravity waves "detected" 589 Susan Doris 11-Feb-16 17:44
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Re: gravity waves "detected" 579 laughin 11-Feb-16 21:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 499 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:23
Re: gravity waves "detected" 536 laughin 12-Feb-16 15:51
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Re: gravity waves "detected" 487 laughin 13-Feb-16 18:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 532 JonnyMcA 13-Feb-16 18:41
Re: gravity waves "detected" 605 Me 15-Feb-16 15:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 449 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:17
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Re: gravity waves "detected" 386 D-Archer 14-Feb-16 11:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 403 carolb 14-Feb-16 14:54
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Re: gravity waves "detected" 501 carolb 14-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 518 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 437 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:59
Re: gravity waves "detected" 417 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 454 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:29
Re: gravity waves "detected" 368 laughin 14-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 311 skakos 15-Feb-16 14:07
Re: gravity waves "detected" 399 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 21:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 520 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:38
Onto Dark Energy waves! 459 Eddie Larry 11-Feb-16 21:34
It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 314 David L 12-Feb-16 12:50
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 405 Spiros 12-Feb-16 17:09
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 467 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 12:47
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 480 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:15
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 430 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 18:53
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 451 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:39
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 389 Aine 16-Feb-16 01:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 514 dong 12-Feb-16 18:36
Re: gravity waves "detected" 510 laughin 13-Feb-16 03:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 435 dong 16-Feb-16 07:41
Liego 427 laughin 15-Feb-16 04:17
Gravity Waves of Propaganda the Sequel 421 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 509 skakos 15-Feb-16 12:58
Re: gravity waves "detected" 470 Aine 15-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 338 carolb 16-Feb-16 00:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 415 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 11:47
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Re: gravity waves "detected" 369 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 14:13
Re: gravity waves "detected" 383 carolb 16-Feb-16 14:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 354 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 15:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 490 carolb 16-Feb-16 16:27
Re: gravity waves "detected" 500 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 14:08
Really? 387 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:11
Re: Really? 496 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:32
Re: Really? 484 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 15:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 485 carolb 17-Feb-16 18:05
mods! 438 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 11:13
Re: mods! 521 carolb 18-Feb-16 14:14
Re: mods! 522 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 16:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 603 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 01:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 420 Aine 17-Feb-16 14:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 466 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 350 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:39
Re: gravity waves "detected" 440 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 17:37
Re: gravity waves "detected" 518 Aine 17-Feb-16 18:49
Re: gravity waves "detected" 459 laughin 16-Feb-16 20:24
Re: gravity waves "detected" 306 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 16:23
Gravy Waves 625 D-Archer 20-Feb-16 11:39
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Scientists: we're 100% convinced 396 laughin 07-Mar-16 17:13
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Re: gravity waves "detected" 431 brett z 20-Apr-16 23:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 437 laughin 21-Apr-16 14:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 355 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:45
Re: gravity waves "detected" 350 laughin 10-May-16 13:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 370 OCaptain 10-May-16 13:21
Re: gravity waves "detected" 421 laughin 10-May-16 19:25
Re: gravity waves "detected" 533 OCaptain 10-May-16 22:56
Re: gravity waves "detected" 435 laughin 11-May-16 15:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 539 JonnyMcA 11-May-16 16:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 534 laughin 12-May-16 16:26
pompousness "detected" 472 laughin 18-May-16 15:25
bump- 2 weeks 570 laughin 27-May-16 15:02
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Re: bump- 4 weeks and why isn't Carolb patrolling the threads 499 laughin 10-Jun-16 15:42
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Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 489 D-Archer 09-May-16 19:05
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Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 520 laughin 10-May-16 13:27
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 359 OCaptain 10-May-16 16:39
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 417 laughin 10-May-16 19:10
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