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laughin Wrote:

> But some kind radiation has, in the past, been
> what they tried to make gravity to be
> all part of the "unification of the forces)
> process

This is incorrect. they are talking about teh unification of different forces/interactions. You use the word radiation as if it has only one meaning pertaining to EM. Alpha and beta radiation for example are particles, you get proton, and heavy ion radiation treatment for some cancers. The Weak force is mediated by W and Z bosons, and these are not EM radiation, but yet The EM force is unified with the Weak force at high energies. Your view is far too simplistic and misunderstood.


> whatever it is, HAS to travel faster than light,
> because the effect of gravity does
> [grahamhancock.com]
> ,1040448#msg-1040448

Actually no. Gravity in a Newtonian gravity framework is instantaneous. In general relativity it has a finite speed, that of the speed of light. Gravitational waves cannot exist is Newtonian gravity. that is why this result is such a milestone, as it once again proves that the framework for general relativity is correct, and that Newtonian gravity is not correct, although the latter is a good approximation for slow speeds and small mass.

> So they are saying that space is rippling, not
> that some particle is traveling THRU space FTL
> also, remember, space isn't made of particles (so
> get any ideas of aether out of your head right
> now)
> If a ripple of "space" (chuckle) can travel faster
> than light can travel through it
> then GR isn't violated,
> the effect can be as fast as needed
> and if no particles are exchanged
> no bosons or gravitons needed
> (bosons!, we don't need no stinking bosons)
> which explains why they haven't been found!!!!
>

Like all waves, gravitational waves are energy propagation through space. In the case of gravitational waves, this is manifested through the waving of space-time, just like an electromagnetic wave is a waving teh the electromagnetic field. Just like the electromagnetic field, no medium is required to carry the wave (unlike sound waves for example). As to why gravitons havent been found. Since gravitons are the quantised vibration of the gravitational field (much as photons are the quantised vibration of the EM field), and since an ensemble of gravitons would make up a gravitational wave (much like an ensemble of photons make up an EM wave), and since we have only just developed apparatus sensitive enough to detect gravitational waves, I think you are asking too much as to why we have not yet found gravitons!


> Hey, I'm just trying to interpret their "findings"
> before the Nobel
> (it looks better to have the story straight
> beforehand)

> now the big question...?
> what's shakin'? (an old hippy expression :) )
> what (and how) is grabbing ahold of space and
> shaking it?
> especially since there is nothing to grab ahold
> of.....

It is an interesting question, and general relativity is not the end of the subject on how nature works, since at the quatum level it breaks down. When, or if, we ever develope a completely consistant theory of quantum gravity your big question may be answered...or not.

BTW, its best to refer to them as gravitational waves. Gravity waves are something entirely different [en.wikipedia.org]

Jonny

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gravity waves "detected" 1526 laughin 11-Feb-16 16:34
Re: gravity waves "detected" 542 Susan Doris 11-Feb-16 17:44
Re: gravity waves "detected" 433 Sirius7237 11-Feb-16 18:30
Re: gravity waves "detected" 538 laughin 11-Feb-16 21:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 452 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:23
Re: gravity waves "detected" 493 laughin 12-Feb-16 15:51
Re: gravity waves "detected" 340 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 16:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 443 laughin 13-Feb-16 18:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 492 JonnyMcA 13-Feb-16 18:41
Re: gravity waves "detected" 552 Me 15-Feb-16 15:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 409 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 445 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 342 D-Archer 14-Feb-16 11:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 356 carolb 14-Feb-16 14:54
Re: gravity waves "detected" 356 Sirius7237 14-Feb-16 20:08
Re: gravity waves "detected" 458 carolb 14-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 469 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 395 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:59
Re: gravity waves "detected" 372 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 412 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:29
Re: gravity waves "detected" 325 laughin 14-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 261 skakos 15-Feb-16 14:07
Re: gravity waves "detected" 356 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 21:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 477 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:38
Onto Dark Energy waves! 419 Eddie Larry 11-Feb-16 21:34
It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 276 David L 12-Feb-16 12:50
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 365 Spiros 12-Feb-16 17:09
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 428 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 12:47
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 436 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:15
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 389 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 18:53
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 407 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:39
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 345 Aine 16-Feb-16 01:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 477 dong 12-Feb-16 18:36
Re: gravity waves "detected" 469 laughin 13-Feb-16 03:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 390 dong 16-Feb-16 07:41
Liego 387 laughin 15-Feb-16 04:17
Gravity Waves of Propaganda the Sequel 374 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 460 skakos 15-Feb-16 12:58
Re: gravity waves "detected" 428 Aine 15-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 296 carolb 16-Feb-16 00:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 371 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 11:47
Re: gravity waves "detected" 509 carolb 16-Feb-16 12:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 329 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 14:13
Re: gravity waves "detected" 346 carolb 16-Feb-16 14:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 320 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 15:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 444 carolb 16-Feb-16 16:27
Re: gravity waves "detected" 455 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 14:08
Really? 345 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:11
Re: Really? 451 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:32
Re: Really? 439 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 15:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 446 carolb 17-Feb-16 18:05
mods! 396 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 11:13
Re: mods! 480 carolb 18-Feb-16 14:14
Re: mods! 477 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 16:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 556 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 01:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 378 Aine 17-Feb-16 14:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 420 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 308 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:39
Re: gravity waves "detected" 386 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 17:37
Re: gravity waves "detected" 476 Aine 17-Feb-16 18:49
Re: gravity waves "detected" 418 laughin 16-Feb-16 20:24
Re: gravity waves "detected" 265 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 16:23
Gravy Waves 580 D-Archer 20-Feb-16 11:39
Playing devil’s advocate on the discovery of gravitational waves 522 laughin 02-Mar-16 18:23
Scientists: we're 100% convinced 349 laughin 07-Mar-16 17:13
Black holes and big bangs can't co-exist 450 laughin 13-Mar-16 04:52
Re: gravity waves "detected" 388 brett z 20-Apr-16 23:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 397 laughin 21-Apr-16 14:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 308 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:45
Re: gravity waves "detected" 258 laughin 10-May-16 13:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 331 OCaptain 10-May-16 13:21
Re: gravity waves "detected" 376 laughin 10-May-16 19:25
Re: gravity waves "detected" 491 OCaptain 10-May-16 22:56
Re: gravity waves "detected" 392 laughin 11-May-16 15:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 487 JonnyMcA 11-May-16 16:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 491 laughin 12-May-16 16:26
pompousness "detected" 423 laughin 18-May-16 15:25
bump- 2 weeks 529 laughin 27-May-16 15:02
Re: bump- 3 weeks 462 laughin 02-Jun-16 23:20
Re: bump- 4 weeks and why isn't Carolb patrolling the threads 460 laughin 10-Jun-16 15:42
Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 443 laughin 04-May-16 13:15
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 452 D-Archer 09-May-16 19:05
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 266 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:46
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 478 laughin 10-May-16 13:27
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 320 OCaptain 10-May-16 16:39
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 377 laughin 10-May-16 19:10
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LIGO press conf, June 15 409 brett z 15-Jun-16 11:53
Re: LIGO press conf, June 15 395 D-Archer 15-Jun-16 14:48


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