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> > > > Here you go Carol and anyone else
> interested.
> > > JP
> > > > Bibring states (in June 2015) that there is
> > no
> > > > surface ice anywhere to be found on the
> > comet,
> > > > even in the cracks where they've looked
> deep
> > > (I'm
> > > > assuming that's with the OSIRIS images that
> > > they
> > > > aren't showing us). He also says that the
> > comet
> > > > models that have been written about for
> > > decades,
> > > > which he says he had done many times, are
> > wrong
> > > > and that the model of the comet being 80%
> ice
> > > is
> > > > wrong. He goes on to say that ice is not
> the
> > > > binding force it is likely the grains they
> > see
> > > on
> > > > the surface.
> > > >
> > > > 1:06:00 to 1:09:00
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> [www.esa.int]
> play_of_Rosetta_conference
> > >
> > >
> > > Please see Jonny's post here, from last June,
> > > regarding that very issue:
> > >
> > >
> >
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?3,72
> 1236,724503#msg-724503]Jonny's post[/url]
> > >
> > > Carol
> >
> >
> > The Rosetta teams seem to have had big
> surprises
> > in September 2014 and again in August 2015.
> > Surprises so big that they've admitted now that
> > they were "in denial" with respect to September
> > for the time being. The August data has yet to
> be
> > reported or even commented on.
> >
> > The following quote is from the ESA Rosetta
> Blog
> > concerning abundant oxygen (September 2014
> data)
> > and jet outbursts (July/August 2015 data).
> >
> > "Quite apart from the devastation effect which
> > this finding of abundant molecular oxygen above
> > the surface of the 67P nucleus is having on the
> > current paradigm not only of how comets, but
> also
> > the solar system itself formed, I consider the
> > most revealing aspect of this finding to be its
> > implications for how mainstream science is
> > conducted. As Kathrin Altwegg admitted, the
> team
> > was “in denial” for many long months, so
> > utterly impossible did the finding appear and
> so
> > totally inconsistent was it with everything
> that
> > the “consensus” opinion believed about the
> > composition of comet nuclei. As André Bieler
> > admitted, “As soon as we got close enough to
> the
> > comet, we actually found it right away” .
> That
> > was way back in September 2014, some fourteen
> > months before the finding was finally
> disclosed."
> >
> > "Now as I (and others) have already pointed out
> on
> > several occasions in other threads, there has
> so
> > far also been a curious absence of data
> disclosed
> > on the temperature and plasma characteristics
> of
> > the “jets” (in particular the spectacular
> > outbursts observed during the July 29, August
> 12
> > and August 22 events). The only comment made in
> > the blog-post on the “extraordinarily
> bright”
> > August 22 event was that that the team was
> “busy
> > analyzing the data to understand the nature of
> > these events”, meaning that the collected
> data
> > was (and probably still is) literally
> > incomprehensible for them. When the extremely
> high
> > temperature and the extremely active plasma
> data
> > are at last published (probably several more
> > months in the future), it will be seen that in
> > that respect too, the team was “in denial”.
> It
> > may take a very long time, but we will
> ultimately
> > be told the truth about the real nature of
> 67P."
>
>
> Can you provide a link, please, to the specific
> blogs with those quotations?
>
> Edit: I found a link elsewhere:
>
> [url]http://news.discovery.com/space/rosettas-comet-spe[/url]
> ws-molecular-oxygen-surprise-151028.htm
>
> To be honest, I think you're over-exaggerating,
> and taking out of context the extent of the
> 'denial' you mention. It didn't last 'for many
> long months'. They were surprised at the data
> they were finding. Hardly surprising, given the
> 'first' that was Rosetta.
>
> [quote]“It is the most surprising discovery we
> have made so far in 67P,” said Rosetta scientist
> Kathrin Altwegg, with the Physics Institute and
> Center for Space and Habitability at the
> University of Bern in Germany.
> “The first time we really saw it I think we all
> went a little bit into denial because ... oxygen
> was not among the molecules suspected in a
> cometary coma,” Altwegg said. “All models show
> that molecular oxygen will react with the hydrogen
> and will no longer be present.”>
> [/quote]
>
> Why do you think scientists are supposed to get
> everything right first time? How do you think
> science progresses, if not from learning from new
> data and results? If everything remained static,
> astronomers would still be using the same model of
> the solar system that they did before the space
> age. Knowledge and information have increased by
> leaps and bounds since the 1950's, and will
> continue to do so, as old models are challenged
> with the availability of new data. Why is that so
> hard to admit?
>
>
> Carol

'They were surprised at the data they were finding' ... because ??

It didn't fit their model, not just because it was the first time they'd seen this type of data. The denial is inherent in the amount of time it took them to realize what they'd discovered, wrap their heads around it and were able to report on it.

Kathrin says it all in your quote.

> “The first time we really saw it I think we all
> went a little bit into denial because ... oxygen
> was not among the molecules suspected in a
> cometary coma,” Altwegg said. “All models show
> that molecular oxygen will react with the hydrogen
> and will no longer be present.”

Maybe they aren't the only ones in denial?

What might the response to considerably higher than expected temperatures within the jets be? More surprise and denial because it's the first time they see this data (in situ) or because it doesn't fit their model?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06-Nov-15 19:41 by Starbinder.

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