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Hi Antgbrooks,

"I am curious to know where one would stop in a quest to rid the world of dictators. To my mind the Chinese have a case to answer with regard to Tibet and its people. However, I suspect that the playground policemen might stop short of regime removal in this case since we are talking about some real clout and power. "

I agree the list of dictators who are pillaging their own country and people is unfortunately longer than one would hope, and it is not practical to imagine toppling every last one and hope for the best. I admit that the US has had to be involved with very unsavory world leaders during the Cold War to achieve the common goal of toppling the USSR.

I agree completely regarding China, but as you stated, there is little point in invading China, as this would not be wise. I believe that China will change from within sooner than later due to the increasing oppurtunities for the middle class chinese. As soon as they are more able to gain individual rights, the ideas from communism will fade away.

"At that time the sympathy lay with Iraq and we cared not what atrocities were being perpetrated against innocent Iranians."

Not really sympathy, more like apathy. There was nothing admirable about looking the other way during the Iran-Iraq war, but due to the stakes we had little choice. Had we not helped to keep Iran from defeating Saddam, we might not even be having this conversation today.

"With regard to the Iraq war I believe that what sticks in the craw of many folk is the blatant manipulation brought to bear on the populace by its leader (here in the UK), regardless of the true agenda being followed by said leader."

I read what Blair gave as his reasons for removing Saddam, and I don't believe he was manipulating anyone. I thought he was trying to do his job, which is protect his country. I'm sure many disagree with me. So be it.

"If we accept the substance of the Bush quote where he says that waiting for proof is not an option in todays world the extreme extrapolation of such a view would be that anyone has the excuse for any action whatsover."

True, but the other option is to cross our fingers and hope we in the US don't see another 9/11. We simply no longer have this option. The terrorists state on a regular basis how they wish to kill millions of us. We simply can't wait for this to happen. Bush is doing his job by doing what is necessary to protect the US.

"This does not accord with most generally accepted legal frameworks, which was precisely the point being made by France, Germany etc., although, who knows, they may very well have had their own dubious agenda and been playing devils advocate (the French build exocets don't they)."

I don't find it much of a coincidence that the majority of Saddams oil customers and weapons suppliers were the countries that were the most opposed to the war. They had the most to lose outside of Saddam. Do you think its a coincidence that many German, Russian, French and Chinese weapons producers are struggling to survive these days?


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Iraq's WMDs found!!! 162 Duncan_Idaho 10-Jan-04 19:00
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 99 Duncan_Idaho 10-Jan-04 19:19
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 63 Doug T 10-Jan-04 20:11
Aha, Danes find possible blister gas... 93 ananda 10-Jan-04 20:49
LINK: Danes find possible blister gas... 79 ananda 10-Jan-04 20:52
nope .... no mustard gas .... n/t 118 Akula 18-Jan-04 15:35
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 75 Geoff 10-Jan-04 23:54
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 92 KimD 17-Jan-04 21:50
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 85 Geoff 18-Jan-04 02:34
Two interpretations of blister gas find. 81 ananda 10-Jan-04 23:54
Re: Two interpretations of blister gas find. 81 lovejoy 11-Jan-04 12:12
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 79 E-rok 11-Jan-04 01:03
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 114 Timothy 12-Jan-04 15:10
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 84 lovejoy 12-Jan-04 16:58
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 91 Timothy 12-Jan-04 17:17
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 70 lovejoy 12-Jan-04 18:06
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 116 Timothy 12-Jan-04 18:27
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 83 lovejoy 12-Jan-04 19:26
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 109 Timothy 12-Jan-04 19:45
When and Why 50 Thirdwave 12-Jan-04 22:00
Timothy - my questions, perhaps? 79 Thirdwave 13-Jan-04 21:18
Re: Timothy - my questions, perhaps? 62 Thirdwave 13-Jan-04 21:19
Re: When and Why 125 Timothy 14-Jan-04 00:01
Why ? --- Oil 94 Thirdwave 17-Jan-04 22:49
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 82 lovejoy 13-Jan-04 09:44
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 86 Antgbrooks 13-Jan-04 22:34
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 105 Timothy 14-Jan-04 00:15
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 82 Antgbrooks 14-Jan-04 22:06
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 87 Doug T 12-Jan-04 18:48
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 93 Timothy 12-Jan-04 18:53
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 81 Doug T 13-Jan-04 01:25
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 95 E-rok 13-Jan-04 15:10
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 107 Timothy 13-Jan-04 15:19
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 81 lobo-hotei 13-Jan-04 17:40
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 83 E-rok 13-Jan-04 18:12
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 190 Timothy 13-Jan-04 18:24
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 80 E-rok 13-Jan-04 18:36
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 120 Timothy 13-Jan-04 18:45
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 117 Timothy 13-Jan-04 18:54
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 87 E-rok 13-Jan-04 19:56
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 86 Timothy 13-Jan-04 21:24
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 73 E-rok 13-Jan-04 22:54
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 115 Timothy 14-Jan-04 00:23
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 98 E-rok 14-Jan-04 01:30
MD500MD Defender 83 Akula 16-Jan-04 21:07
Re: MD500MD Defender 86 E-rok 17-Jan-04 01:47
Re: MD500MD Defender 54 Akula 17-Jan-04 20:30
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 65 cardinal guzman 15-Jan-04 22:37
Moderator Warning 88 Thirdwave 13-Jan-04 21:31
Re: Moderator Warning 70 E-rok 13-Jan-04 23:03
Thanks, E-rok n/t 73 Thirdwave 14-Jan-04 00:03
Re: Moderator Warning 114 Timothy 14-Jan-04 00:25
Capitals! 80 Geoff 15-Jan-04 02:44
Saddam was the biggest WMD 92 David L 14-Jan-04 02:47
Looks to me like.... 92 Kevin Kanada 12-Jan-04 17:59
Iraqi chemical weapons and archaeology in the year 7300 91 Akula 13-Jan-04 00:57
Re: Iraqi chemical weapons and archaeology in the year 7300 83 Doug T 13-Jan-04 01:28
saddam hussein and the next archaeologist ...... 7300AD 84 Akula 13-Jan-04 23:42
The wrong war/Why Iraq was a mistake! 52 ananda 13-Jan-04 13:18
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 90 Timothy 13-Jan-04 14:47
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 53 lovejoy 14-Jan-04 11:42
Re: Iraq's WMDs found!!! 59 Geoff 18-Jan-04 03:08

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