It takes generations for a "race" to overcome systemic poverty which is doubly hard when property ownership is denied by the system in control. [grahamhancock.com]
- "Property ownership is denied by the system in control." Expand and define, please.
"First you’ll need to acknowledge that the parameter I set (“from the start”) is “generations” long."
Buck 45 Wrote:
> - I can't. I can acknowledge that you gave a
> list of historical incidents and examples but to
> qualify it as "generations?" I can't. This is
> what I mean by you expressing yourself and
> position in your first reply...
I did and you won't because the way my statement and examples were framed "from the start" doesn't allow you to pontificate and demand only current examples of endemic and/or systemic institutionalized racism.
> "No, what we learned is that you will attribute to
> others whatever position best allows you to
> pontificate endlessly about the self-perceived
> wisdom of your position."
> - Amazing how unanswered simple questions about
> one's actual position results in being labeled
> "pontificating" or as some sort of strawmaning the
> other's position.....
> "We learned that because regardless of numerous
> protestations and clarifications you continued to
> misrepresent my patently obvious position just to
> advantage yours."
> - Now now, don't assume. Again, repeating
> myself... all I asked was for clarifications so
> as to understand what the hell your position
> actually is.
Then start by acknowledging that "from the start" my time frame is "generations".
Just how many times will I need to object to your mischaracterization and/or clarify this time?
> "Sowell like these people"
> - Sowell is not like 'those people."
"We keep hearing that "black lives matter,"
> but they seem to matter only when that helps
> politicians to get votes, or when that slogan
> helps demagogues demonize the police."
We keep hearing that "black lives matter," but they seem to matter only when that helps politicians to get votes, or when that slogan helps demagogues demonize the police. The other 99% of black lives destroyed by people who are not police do not seem to attract nearly as much attention in the media.
What about black success? Does that matter? Apparently not so much.
We have heard a lot about black students failing to meet academic standards. So you might think that it would be front-page news when some whole ghetto schools not only meet, but exceed, the academic standards of schools in more upscale communities.
"if black lives really matter, as they
> should matter like all other lives"
Ordinarily, it is not a good idea to base how you vote on just one issue. But if black lives really matter, as they should matter like all other lives, then it is hard to see any racial issue that matters as much as education.
The government could double the amount of money it spends on food stamps or triple the amount it spends on housing subsidies, and it will mean very little if the next generation of young blacks goes out into the world as adults without a decent education.
"Chief among those who generate this
> poisonous atmosphere are career race hustlers like
> Al Sharpton and racist institutions like the
> "Black Lives Matter" movement. All such demagogues
> need is a situation where there has been a
> confrontation where someone was white and someone
> else was black. The facts don't matter to
There is a ton of blame, more than enough to go around to the wide range of people and institutions that have contributed to these disasters. In addition to the murderers who have killed people they don’t even know, there are those who created the atmosphere of blind hatred in which such killers flourish.
Chief among those who generate this poisonous atmosphere are career race hustlers like Al Sharpton and racist institutions like the “Black Lives Matter” movement. All such demagogues need is a situation where there has been a confrontation where someone was white and someone else was black. The facts don’t matter to them.
> "the role race plays every day in America."
> - Maybe for you but not me. Quantity of one's
> melanin tells we nothing about who you are. That
> it does for you is, _______.
Are you a black American Buck?
That is the topic right?
> "Not that we should accept responsibility for the
> past but instead to simply acknowledge the role
> the past plays in the present."
> - Right. And is "endemic, institutional racism"
> still present? Present in Black run cities with
> Black Police Commissioners, Captains, Chiefs,
> Prosecutors, Judges, DA's, Mayors, Governors,
> Senators (State and Federal)??????
Uh, yes. Because case in point, your example doesn't exist.
> " you insist on only considering the present and
> assume since a black man argues the black
> community needs to save itself your indifference
> is justified."
> - I'm not 'indifferent' in the slightest. What
> was that about 'attributing to others whatever
> position best allows you to pontificate
> endlessly?' Riiiight. I've been for and active
> on getting 2A back into Black communities for
> years and for getting them off the Democratic
> plantation. Black communities are just like
> disasters we see in DEM/FEMA i.e. local ones.
> Long after the Feds and everyone outta town
> leaves, it's on the locals to live there. If they
> don't sort their stuff for themselves, then it'll
> go back to the way it was before once the Feds or
> whomever leaves. That is fact.
Why are black communities "just like disasters we see in DEM/FEMA"?
> "Your argument here amounts to a -what have we
> done lately to oppress the black community"
> - Not entirely accurate but that is an avenue
> when one uses historical examples from 50 to 200
> years in the past to support their claim or
> support of "endemic, institutional racism."
> "Sorry but you don’t get to define the term
> systemic institutionalized racism as applied to
> race relations in America so narrowly nor may you
> insist I satisfy such a meaningless question."
> - Oh, so now it's "systemic?" That's even more
> ridiculous!!! How many times, eli, do I have to
> repeat to you that I was asking about how Cappy
> and by your injection, you, are defining those
> words, that term because by the basic definition
> (that you provided) and through recent history
> (less than 50 years ago) that term is clearly not
Probably because Brian is being more specific than me and is focusing on the race that is suffering the institutionalized racism while I innately focus on the extent that the institution has supported racism against many races. Rather a small distinction to qualify for such a dickish comment but Buck’s gotta be Buck.
> I know it sounds intelligent but
> using it for something today is just stupid.
Well good then. As I have provided through examples and am now clarifying for you AGAIN I am defining it as something that happened over many generations -including this one- that was enforced by the United States government against racial groups of Americans that has had a lasting effect on them socially, economically and culturally.
I realize that’s not the conversation you wish to have but I’m not going to bullied into adopting the position you need.
Maybe someone else will come along and polish your apples for you.