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Archaic Wrote:
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> Why did he leave it?


You know that you can't answer my question honestly, so you try to reframe the discussion into something that is more forgiving of Mr. Lennon.

Are you claiming that he left the EDL because he thought Muslims were so great, but those darn racists winnowed their way in and took over his organization, turning it into something ugly and evil?

What kind of man is he that he would let others do that to his organization that he created?!? Why didn't he kick them out and keep the EDL? Barring that, why didn't he start up a new organization afterwards to do the good work he wanted to when he founded the EDL?

The Council of Europe defines Islamophobia in this manner: “[Islamophobia is the] fear of or prejudiced viewpoint towards Islam, Muslims and matters pertaining to them…[taking] the shape of daily forms of racism and discrimination or more violent forms, Islamophobia is a violation of human rights”. The 2016 definition offered by the Foundation for Political, Economic and Social Research (SETA): “Islamophobia operates by constructing a static ‘Muslim’ identity, which is attributed in negative terms and generalized for all Muslims.”

I have bolded the selected portion, because it seems very obvious that both you and Mr. Lennon are constructing a static "Muslim" identity (6th century, gang-raping, war-mongering, cutting people's heads off, ring a bell, Pete?), and then refusing to talk about how Muslims have changed since then.

Did Lennon mean this tweet, in 2016? “I’d personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back tomorrow if I could. Fake refugees"

Did he mean this, in an East London, 2011 speech: "Every single Muslim watching this… on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens… you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end… and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again"



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Freedom of speech!! 1550 Itatw70s 05-Jul-19 15:03
Mod Note > Topic Moved 247 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Jul-19 15:25
Re: Freedom of speech!! 213 Archaic 05-Jul-19 16:16
Re: Freedom of speech!! 239 Itatw70s 05-Jul-19 17:43
Re: Freedom of speech!! 198 WhoWeird 05-Jul-19 18:48
Re: Freedom of speech!! 209 Itatw70s 05-Jul-19 19:50
Re: Freedom of speech!! 181 Warwick 06-Jul-19 02:08
Re: Freedom of speech!! 215 Lee McGiffen 10-Jul-19 09:31
Re: Freedom of speech!! 186 WhoWeird 10-Jul-19 10:08
Re: Freedom of speech!! 224 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 04:20
Re: Freedom of speech!! 206 Archaic 06-Jul-19 04:30
everywhere 210 Warwick 06-Jul-19 05:58
Re: everywhere 180 Archaic 06-Jul-19 14:56
Re: everywhere 201 Itatw70s 07-Jul-19 21:51
Re: everywhere 209 Archaic 08-Jul-19 15:44
Re: everywhere 211 Warwick 08-Jul-19 20:37
Re: everywhere 219 Archaic 08-Jul-19 23:20
Re: everywhere 205 Warwick 09-Jul-19 15:55
Re: everywhere 184 Archaic 12-Jul-19 12:44
Re: everywhere 208 Warwick 14-Jul-19 21:41
Re: everywhere 178 Archaic 15-Jul-19 12:03
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 184 Racho 08-Jul-19 16:18
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 201 Archaic 08-Jul-19 19:00
Correction 171 Warwick 08-Jul-19 20:40
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Re: Correction 195 Warwick 09-Jul-19 15:53
Re: Correction 188 Archaic 12-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Correction 182 WhoWeird 12-Jul-19 21:32
We shouldn't be surprised...but Facebook? 179 Racho 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 182 OCaptain 09-Jul-19 11:45
Intellectually...don't you want to hear all views before coming to a conclusion? 205 Racho 09-Jul-19 16:14
Re: Intellectually...don't you want to hear all views before coming to a conclusion? 193 WhoWeird 09-Jul-19 16:36
Re: Intellectually...don't you want to hear all views before coming to a conclusion? 189 Archaic 12-Jul-19 12:46
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Re: Intellectually...don 't you want to hear all views before coming to a conclusion? 177 OCaptain 15-Jul-19 23:51
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Dangerous Waters 174 Archaic 16-Jul-19 12:24
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Re: Dangerous Waters 180 OCaptain 16-Jul-19 12:49
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Re: Dangerous Waters 172 WhoWeird 17-Jul-19 13:55
Re: Dangerous Waters 162 OCaptain 17-Jul-19 14:22
Re: Dangerous Waters 166 adequatedane 17-Jul-19 16:00
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Spewing out disinformation 172 adequatedane 17-Jul-19 18:40
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Re: Dangerous Waters 166 Audrey 17-Jul-19 19:04
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Re: Intellectually...don't you want to hear all views before coming to a conclusion? 165 Archaic 14-Jul-19 15:53
Re: Intellectually...don't you want to hear all views before coming to a conclusion? 158 OCaptain 13-Jul-19 12:11
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Papers please 203 Buck 45 12-Jul-19 21:56
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Re: Intellectually...don't you want to hear all views before coming to a conclusion? 180 Archaic 13-Jul-19 01:19
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 195 Warwick 08-Jul-19 20:39
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 174 Racho 08-Jul-19 20:44
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Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 181 Audrey 09-Jul-19 23:24
Audrey 212 calisurfer30 09-Jul-19 23:54
Hello there 164 Warwick 10-Jul-19 17:07
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 193 WhoWeird 10-Jul-19 00:02
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Why "important?" 175 Buck 45 10-Jul-19 22:05
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 165 calisurfer30 10-Jul-19 22:58
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 166 OCaptain 12-Jul-19 12:36
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Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 161 OCaptain 14-Jul-19 12:44
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Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 172 OCaptain 16-Jul-19 13:04
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 176 Archaic 16-Jul-19 14:31
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 157 OCaptain 16-Jul-19 15:39
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 184 Warwick 16-Jul-19 16:23
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 163 Archaic 17-Jul-19 13:33
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Virtue Signal needy 191 calisurfer30 17-Jul-19 22:51
Something we cherish... 201 Racho 10-Jul-19 23:11
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Re: Something we cherish... 161 WhoWeird 11-Jul-19 01:31
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Re: Something we cherish...some get it so wrong 249 Racho 12-Jul-19 00:26
Re: Something we cherish...some get it so wrong 169 muppedo 12-Jul-19 21:54
Re: Something we cherish... 186 OCaptain 12-Jul-19 12:42
Re: everywhere? Where is Tommy's free speech? 182 OCaptain 10-Jul-19 00:30
Ezra Levant email to me today - copied/pasted here as an example of Canada's exemplary free speech. 186 Racho 09-Jul-19 20:58
Re: Freedom of action. 193 Itatw70s 07-Jul-19 21:58
Re: Freedom of action. 180 Archaic 08-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Freedom of speech!! 197 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:50
Tommy Robinson interview this morning on Infowars...a must watch 193 Racho 08-Jul-19 17:59
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Re: Tommy Robinson interview this morning on Infowars...a must watch 163 Racho 10-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Freedom of speech!! 186 Warwick 09-Jul-19 16:04
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to be precise.. 172 Warwick 09-Jul-19 16:46
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Flawed 220 Buck 45 10-Jul-19 21:58
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Deranged or Drunk 255 Barbelo 12-Jul-19 00:34
Thanks for strengthening my case! 249 Buck 45 12-Jul-19 01:32
Re: Thanks for strengthening my case! 169 OCaptain 12-Jul-19 13:12
Not here to give out fish 170 Buck 45 12-Jul-19 21:48
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Don't have to try harder 226 Buck 45 14-Jul-19 04:53
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So you say 161 Buck 45 15-Jul-19 01:23
Re: So you say 392 OCaptain 15-Jul-19 01:44
Lucky enough 168 Buck 45 15-Jul-19 20:37
Re: Flawed 203 OCaptain 12-Jul-19 13:08
Is not 181 Buck 45 12-Jul-19 21:51
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