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Peter, you missed again. There's a difference between trying to find common ground, acknowledging that a person cares, and trying to paint a person as wonderful or whatever.

I'm glad that the climate thing touched a chord though, because it suggests you're more anti that, than, perhaps, cognizant if how varied collectivism is. You seem to have trained your mind to think that it's a left liberal thing only. It is not.

From here you have a choice, to deny that it is a much more inclusive concept, or embrace the greater reality.

You say you favour universal health. You would vote for it, no? If so, then how can you not say you're being a collectivist... in that context?

That's all I'm saying. This is not a discussion about my interest in climate change . It is about a term you introduced. See how you immediately got diverted? That should tell you something.

I'm inviting you to examine that concept more inclusively, that's all. That's the most relevant approach, imo.

If you opened up that way, I think you'll find that others here, self confessed liberals would agree with you on many sub topics. In the absence of that, you look partisan, as one who who only wants to apply a negative label some of the time.

That's why I invited this thread, to give you a chance to present yourself in a more accurate light. I'm trying to do you a favour, because clearly some people here have declared you a lost cause, which may be fair if you are indeed only willing to rail against some forms of collectivism.

If that's true then your issue can't really be about collectivism. It's narrower.

Namaste



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06-Dec-18 04:24 by Poster Boy.

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Step back to the past 616 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 16:02
Re: Step back to the past 200 Eddie Larry 04-Dec-18 16:38
Re: Step back to the past 103 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:21
Re: Step back to the past 122 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Step back to the past 104 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:15
Re: Step back to the past 110 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:18
Re: Step back to the past 107 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:42
Re: Step back to the past 104 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:06
Re: Step back to the past 155 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 23:05
P O O 96 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:26
drip drip drip 110 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 08:32
Just another drip 114 Barbelo 05-Dec-18 10:47
One drip at a time 109 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:35
Re: Step back to the past 125 ldennyjr 05-Dec-18 15:58
Not at all 109 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 16:29
Re: Not at all 105 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:50
Re: Not at all 115 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 16:53
Re: Not at all 109 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:57
Re: Not at all 108 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 17:00
Re: Not at all 102 Jock 05-Dec-18 17:02
Re: Not at all 98 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 105 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 102 Jock 05-Dec-18 18:00
Re: Not at all 110 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 20:14
Re: Not at all 111 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:23
Re: Not at all 103 eli stills 05-Dec-18 18:49
Re: Not at all 103 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 104 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:02
big miss here, Pete 110 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 21:08
Re: big miss here, Pete 98 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:09
Re: big miss here, Pete 103 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: big miss here, Pete 107 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:56
Re: big miss here, Pete 102 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 22:14
Re: big miss here, Pete 106 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:20
Re: big miss here, Pete 101 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:04
Re: Not at all 112 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 19:27
Re: Not at all 102 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:33
Re: Not at all 108 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 20:18
Re: Not at all 116 Warwick 05-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Not at all 102 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 23:08
Re: Not at all 199 Archaic 05-Dec-18 20:40
Re: Not at all 103 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:33
Re: Not at all 105 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:43
Re: Not at all 104 Jock 05-Dec-18 21:52
Re: Not at all 110 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: Not at all 100 eli stills 05-Dec-18 23:05
Re: Not at all 109 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
Re: Not at all 107 eli stills 06-Dec-18 01:05
Excellent summation 106 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 02:03
Re: Excellent summation 99 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:23
Re: Excellent summation 108 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 02:38
Re: Excellent summation 104 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:45
Re: Excellent summation 108 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:52
Re: Excellent summation 112 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 03:54
Re: Excellent summation 101 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:01
What QAnon Arrests? 103 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 95 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:49
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 105 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 20:32
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 123 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 20:37
More WW BS 98 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 21:37
Re: More WW BS 111 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 21:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 98 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 22:06
Re: More WW BS + More BS 124 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 12:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 162 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 19:39
Re: More WW BS + More BS 144 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 19:42
Re: More WW BS + More BS 161 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:26
Re: More WW BS + More BS 154 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 21:32
Re: More WW BS + More BS 138 eli stills 07-Dec-18 21:52
Re: More WW BS + More BS 182 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:56
Re: More WW BS + More BS 181 eli stills 07-Dec-18 22:15
Re: More WW BS + More BS 162 WhoWeird 08-Dec-18 00:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 106 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:48
Re: More WW BS + More BS 102 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 22:00
Re: More WW BS + More BS 104 Archaic 12-Dec-18 23:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 102 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 03:27
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 111 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 21:05
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 178 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 19:20
Re: Excellent summation 124 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 05:03
Re: Not at all 115 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 23:09
Re: Not at all 117 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
COLLECTIVIST et al 123 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 01:53
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 121 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 110 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:23
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 107 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:29
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 108 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 102 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:41
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 105 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:52
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 102 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 113 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 103 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:01
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 108 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:04
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 110 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 05:08
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 109 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 05:10
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 111 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:55
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 124 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:54
Thanks for trying--I think 105 drrayeye 06-Dec-18 11:53
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 105 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 17:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 111 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:59
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 94 Archaic 06-Dec-18 20:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 171 eli stills 06-Dec-18 22:49
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 100 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:26
Re: Not at all 181 muppedo 09-Dec-18 01:06
Re: Not at all 111 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 115 Jock 05-Dec-18 20:51
Re: Not at all 107 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Not at all 113 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 02:57
Re: Not at all 122 Jock 06-Dec-18 04:42
Re: Not at all 113 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:48
Re: Not at all 108 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: Not at all 109 Jock 06-Dec-18 06:59
S**T Flinging 118 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 07:06
MOTHER What? 121 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 06:12


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