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Well done, Peter.

This was a nicely articulated reply. I think you'll find many sympathizers in the most general sense. Liberal or Conservative, many among us don't care for the personality type you describe here... I think.

First things first. A while back I said that I believe we are all liberal and conservative. Here'll, I just say that applies to me, and that in general I presume that I am a lot of other 'ists', for where such labels exist they tend to apply to an aspect of the universal human condition. There are definitely some things I am not, mind you, one being an anarchist.

With this in mind, when you said collectivist I asked myself, what does that term mean to me and how can I relate to Peter? I was immediately reminded of my undergrad years, at the University of Oregon, and certain personalities that were very much the annoying kind you describe. Something other than liberal. Things were worse in law school, as the faculty there was much more flagrantly political, and arrogant for having thought that they had gamed the system to their Leftist political agenda.

So, I can relate. Definitely. But I would suggest that 'collectivism' is a much more inclusive concept, in that the requisite arrogance and social engineering is sen to occur at all points along the political spectrum. I believe you are genuine, Peter, but I think maybe you are spinning your wheels a bit too much by focusing on oen area where this occurs.

If I were you - if you haven't alread - I might suggest considering Rush Limbaugh, for one, who in my mind is the Elsworth Toohey of right wing radio. He's a manipulator, a totally arrogant piece, and a very determined engineer of the masses. Recent events have reminded me that the NFL is too,to cite another example, as it silently continues to try to get America to simply accept the fact that justice is served when a man gets a two-game suspension for women-beating. After all, it's all about winning, ain't it?

The list goes on.

The end game of this discussion, if it were to be regarded as a debate, is that somehow all these other analogies are not that. I would suggest going the other way, as finding common denominators here may be the better, more relevant route to take.

Beyond this, a further very good question might go, When does Peter Archaic decide to be a collectivist?

I can think of several instances where I might get my collectivist groove on. One of them concerns climate change and how we might be able to reverse the course we're on. I trust the status quo perception of science, on faith. I can never know it all. But this is one of these situations where I would be willing to impose my will on your life (assuming you think nothing should be done about carbon emissions, for example), because I don't think we can afford to dick around on this matter and allow denialists to seize or stall the agenda. By 'your' I am speaking in the plural. That makes me a 'collectivist,' in this instance.

My follow-up question is, When are you a collectivist?

Namaste

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Step back to the past 616 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 16:02
Re: Step back to the past 200 Eddie Larry 04-Dec-18 16:38
Re: Step back to the past 102 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:21
Re: Step back to the past 121 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Step back to the past 103 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:15
Re: Step back to the past 109 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:18
Re: Step back to the past 107 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:42
Re: Step back to the past 104 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:06
Re: Step back to the past 154 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 23:05
P O O 95 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:26
drip drip drip 110 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 08:32
Just another drip 113 Barbelo 05-Dec-18 10:47
One drip at a time 109 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:35
Re: Step back to the past 125 ldennyjr 05-Dec-18 15:58
Not at all 108 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 16:29
Re: Not at all 105 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:50
Re: Not at all 115 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 16:53
Re: Not at all 108 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:57
Re: Not at all 108 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 17:00
Re: Not at all 102 Jock 05-Dec-18 17:02
Re: Not at all 97 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 105 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 102 Jock 05-Dec-18 18:00
Re: Not at all 109 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 20:14
Re: Not at all 110 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:23
Re: Not at all 102 eli stills 05-Dec-18 18:49
Re: Not at all 102 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 103 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:02
big miss here, Pete 109 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 21:08
Re: big miss here, Pete 98 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:09
Re: big miss here, Pete 102 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: big miss here, Pete 106 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:56
Re: big miss here, Pete 102 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 22:14
Re: big miss here, Pete 104 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:20
Re: big miss here, Pete 100 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:04
Re: Not at all 111 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 19:27
Re: Not at all 101 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:33
Re: Not at all 107 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 20:18
Re: Not at all 115 Warwick 05-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Not at all 101 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 23:08
Re: Not at all 198 Archaic 05-Dec-18 20:40
Re: Not at all 102 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:33
Re: Not at all 104 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:43
Re: Not at all 104 Jock 05-Dec-18 21:52
Re: Not at all 109 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: Not at all 99 eli stills 05-Dec-18 23:05
Re: Not at all 109 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
Re: Not at all 107 eli stills 06-Dec-18 01:05
Excellent summation 106 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 02:03
Re: Excellent summation 99 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:23
Re: Excellent summation 107 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 02:38
Re: Excellent summation 104 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:45
Re: Excellent summation 108 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:52
Re: Excellent summation 109 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 03:54
Re: Excellent summation 100 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:01
What QAnon Arrests? 102 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 95 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:49
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 104 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 20:32
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 122 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 20:37
More WW BS 98 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 21:37
Re: More WW BS 110 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 21:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 98 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 22:06
Re: More WW BS + More BS 122 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 12:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 161 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 19:39
Re: More WW BS + More BS 144 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 19:42
Re: More WW BS + More BS 160 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:26
Re: More WW BS + More BS 154 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 21:32
Re: More WW BS + More BS 138 eli stills 07-Dec-18 21:52
Re: More WW BS + More BS 181 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:56
Re: More WW BS + More BS 181 eli stills 07-Dec-18 22:15
Re: More WW BS + More BS 162 WhoWeird 08-Dec-18 00:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 105 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:48
Re: More WW BS + More BS 102 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 22:00
Re: More WW BS + More BS 104 Archaic 12-Dec-18 23:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 102 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 03:27
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 110 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 21:05
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 178 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 19:20
Re: Excellent summation 124 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 05:03
Re: Not at all 115 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 23:09
Re: Not at all 117 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
COLLECTIVIST et al 122 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 01:53
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 119 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 110 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:23
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 106 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:29
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 107 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 102 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:41
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 105 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:52
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 101 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 113 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 103 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:01
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 107 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:04
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 110 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 05:08
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 109 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 05:10
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 111 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:55
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 124 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:54
Thanks for trying--I think 105 drrayeye 06-Dec-18 11:53
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 104 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 17:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 110 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:59
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 94 Archaic 06-Dec-18 20:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 171 eli stills 06-Dec-18 22:49
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 99 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:26
Re: Not at all 181 muppedo 09-Dec-18 01:06
Re: Not at all 110 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 115 Jock 05-Dec-18 20:51
Re: Not at all 106 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Not at all 113 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 02:57
Re: Not at all 121 Jock 06-Dec-18 04:42
Re: Not at all 113 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:48
Re: Not at all 108 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: Not at all 109 Jock 06-Dec-18 06:59
S**T Flinging 117 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 07:06
MOTHER What? 121 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 06:12


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