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Hi Jock

Our medical system isn't perfect, of course. What macro national program actually is? If anyone cares to compile a list of American ones that work flawlessly, I'd love to see it. For the far right homers, who will likely say that such entities are flawed because of government's involvement, show us a large business that functions perfectly. Listen very carefully then, to the voices who mock the efforts of countries that proactively seek to adequately protect ALL of their citizens, rather than only the rich. Invariably, they will return to the line of BS, which essentially entails looking for flaws in a healthcare system, when they know that no large entity is ever perfect. What's the point? There is none and the people parroting such noise know it. They persist because they are not interested in truth, only self-serving politicking.

Try living outside of the USA for an extended period of time, and you will see how vacuous the USA's debate over this issue is. It is astonishingly backward and heartless policy, relatively speaking, especially when one considers that the USA is the wealthiest country in the world. What a national disgrace.

Obama's attempt to rectify this situation was one of the most laudable things I can ever remember coming out of US macro policy. However, the moment when I saw how he intended to do it, I figured it was destined to fail. You CANNOT monetize health and leave national health policy up to the whims of the free market. The only way to do this, is to nationalize health care. You can't compromise with the Devil, which in this case is greed personified.

Give US citizen full universal coverage once, and he/she will never give it up.

From the time of Adam Smith,the principal justification of free enterprise has been that it distributes wealth to society as a whole. Other developed nations recognized, decades ago, that this concept can translate to health for all.

What I can say, speaking as somebody who is American and Canadian, and has lived in both countries for many years, is that the peace of mind in this country because of medical care makes this service far, far beyond 'pretty good'. It is FANTASTIC, compared to what's going on south of the 49th, where citizens are basically treated as a commodity and kicked to the curb if they can't come up with enough green paper. Early in life, I used to be proud to be Canadian. Then I became mostly grateful. Thinking about this issue, I am reminded that I feel both towards Canada. People up here try to be nice. We continue to try to make our health care system better. And guess what? We've got a pretty damned good health care system after all these years, thank you very much.

Props to the Kiwis for tweaking the concept further. This isn't a contest. It's about the betterment of taxpaying citizens who spend the majority of their working lives running an economy that becomes increasingly skewed in favor of the rich with each passing days.

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New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 885 Jock 03-Dec-18 08:22
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 163 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 17:45
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 155 Jock 03-Dec-18 18:18
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 150 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 17:13
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 144 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 03:42
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 155 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:51
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 142 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 04:00
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 157 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 04:10
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 155 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 18:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 146 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 19:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 226 Warwick 03-Dec-18 19:58
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 144 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:03
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 157 eli stills 03-Dec-18 22:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 154 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 00:26
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 171 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:05
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 143 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:24
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 141 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 150 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 17:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 185 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 22:19
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 190 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:32
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 230 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 03:36
More Adequate Disinformation! 142 eli stills 05-Dec-18 04:02
Just stupidity 134 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Just stupidity 129 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:49
Re: Just stupidity 152 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:00
And Even More stupidity 138 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 14:30
Re: And Even More stupidity 142 eli stills 06-Dec-18 19:35
Your Imitating Yourself 143 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 20:26
Re: Your Imitating Yourself 169 eli stills 06-Dec-18 23:20
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 142 Audrey 07-Dec-18 03:09
Ah More Ignorance 180 adequatedane 07-Dec-18 12:07
Re: Ah More Ignorance 222 muppedo 10-Dec-18 00:00
Re: Ah More Ignorance 154 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:36
Re: Ah More Ignorance 158 eli stills 11-Dec-18 18:32
Re: Ah More Ignorance 146 Warwick 11-Dec-18 20:06
Ah More BS and Lies 135 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 21:13
let's put it another way 142 Warwick 11-Dec-18 21:23
Re: Ah More BS and Lies 198 eli stills 11-Dec-18 22:29
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 243 Thunderbird 11-Dec-18 17:27
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 142 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 252 Jock 03-Dec-18 20:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 229 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:07
The links to both study and review 234 drrayeye 03-Dec-18 21:21
Re: The links to both study and review 129 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 03:06
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 147 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 23:07
You're proving Mike right 143 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:24
Re: You're proving Mike right 138 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 00:39
Re: You're proving Mike right 141 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 159 muppedo 03-Dec-18 23:25
Read the report 140 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:28
Two major issues 164 Race Jackson 04-Dec-18 00:08
Re: Two major issues 150 muppedo 04-Dec-18 00:17
Re: Two major issues 129 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:22
Re: Two major issues 145 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 02:31
Re: Two major issues 134 eli stills 04-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Two major issues 140 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:35
Re: Two major issues 146 eli stills 04-Dec-18 04:38
Re: Two major issues 140 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 03:47
Re: Two major issues 145 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:58
Re: Two major issues 133 eli stills 04-Dec-18 05:01
Re: Two major issues 135 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 18:59
Re: Two major issues 123 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:09
Re: Two major issues 130 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 22:15
Amen brother 130 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Two major issues 122 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 20:33
As Suspected the Plan has Problems. Who Would of Thought? 139 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 04:23
Haven't read it--have you 142 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 05:18
Re: Haven't read it--have you 138 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 12:48
Is the Comic Book Version Better? 133 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 15:39
Ray Your a Trip 135 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 14:59
Re: Haven't read it--have you 138 Jock 04-Dec-18 17:45
Re: Haven't read it--have you 130 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 18:31
Re: Haven't read it--have you 155 muppedo 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 134 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 135 Aine 05-Dec-18 01:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 137 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:55
Re: Haven't read it--have you 134 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 02:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 162 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:15
Re: Haven't read it--have you 151 muppedo 09-Dec-18 20:14
Can we Trust Doctors... 137 cladking 04-Dec-18 17:00
Can we trust Trumpers 145 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 19:06
Re: Can we trust Trumpers 138 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 141 Warwick 04-Dec-18 19:36
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 198 solaremp 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 131 cladking 05-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 205 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:18
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 232 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 16:44
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 228 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:48
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 124 cladking 09-Dec-18 16:49
Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 139 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 135 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:22
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 139 Warwick 04-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 144 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:37
Haven't read the report either--have you 140 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 20:43
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 142 Sirfiroth 05-Dec-18 14:11
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 130 Warwick 05-Dec-18 15:07
Mike has your number 131 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:07
Re: Mike has your number 141 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:57
Re: Mike has your number 147 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:07
Re: Mike has your number 150 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 02:19
I don't give a damn! 148 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 03:44
Re: I don't give a damn! 133 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:03
LOL 135 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 14:19
Re: Mike has your number 145 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:13
It doesn't register, does it? 136 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 18:26
Scriiieetcchhhh!!! 157 Warwick 06-Dec-18 18:35
LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 140 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:03
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 150 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 19:08
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 139 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:11


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