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Bundy owes the government over $1 million in grazing rights on land he feels belongs to the state of Nevada, not the federal government. That goes back to the 70's and is known as the Sagebrush rebellion. The problem with Bundy's position is that while he didn't recognize United States as an entity, Nevada's constitution directly contradicts him and authorizes the federal government to use force to maintain law and order.

Article 1, Section 2:

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All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

The Atlantic had a concise write up here:

[www.theatlantic.com]

He tried to claim ancestral water and grazing rights, saying that his ancestors had grazed that land before it became federal. He lied. His family didn't purchase their ranch until 1954.

Bundy lost two appeals and a court order was issued for his cattle to be seized if the fines weren't paid. He didn't pay them, at which point he threatened to shoot anyone who tried to take his cattle. The son threatened violence also. Do you expect the BLM to go for the cattle (which they were legally authorized to do) without backup?

The Hammonds' case is a little different. They were convicted of setting wildfires on federal land.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05-Jan-16 01:40 by Aine.

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Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 421 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 14:43
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 572 Aine 05-Jan-16 15:48
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 527 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:05
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 551 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:22
They were tried twice 548 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:35
Re: They were tried twice 563 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:48
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 460 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-16 17:00
History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 527 Ratcho 06-Jan-16 16:28
Re: History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 529 Aine 06-Jan-16 18:00
What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 548 Ratcho 07-Jan-16 01:58
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 526 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:24
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 470 calisurfer30 08-Jan-16 02:19
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 520 Aine 08-Jan-16 17:24
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A discussion about the issues in this case 456 Ratcho 08-Jan-16 20:08
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