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Yve writes "What a complex book ! No wonder this lot were in a secret world.I have an image of them reading and talking in dead languages, experimenting and rushing all over the world. I once was at a dinner with some Jewish elders, discussing the Kabbalah . Being a woman and non Jewish it is a book to me. I asked why they didn't just go straight to the top Angel and save all the steps in between. One said that before any man is allowed to study it they have to take many tests to make sure that they can cope. It is known to drive some insane.I found it funny that we could discuss it freely and with a lot of humour, yet had I been a Jewish woman I would have been refused any access. Same with the catholics. Being non religious I can discuss how they just hijacked the old traditions and superimposed a money making organisation on top and get their opinions back. My local Church where I used to live, in Tudor country, is a Freemasons High Church and I often sat and chatted about Black Magic and the Dark Arts with the man in charge. What he didn't know wasn't worth knowing.He even came round and blessed my troubled house with holy oil from Jerusalem, and restored Peace.Anything goes over here and I suppose it has been like that forever, so long as the Europeans and their versions of religion are kept away. It is always about ' Let he who has the Knowledge'.Black Cab drivers in London, which was a pretty closed profession,even call learning the routes The Knowledge."


The importance of secrecy must surely have originated at least partially (but perhaps totally) from a fear of the consequences of heretical teachings. Today, the fear would be that of vilification and ridicule rather than sticks and stones. To oblige someone to go through a series of uncomfortable initiations would have ensured they were sincere in their desire to gain whatever knowledge and that they wouldn't go blabbing in public. In later times, it was more likely a pleasant sense of superiority over the ignorant masses. Human weakness on that score and a desire to keep people handing over their cash might be the only reason for any continuation of secrecy, the fundamental Hermetic teaching having been forgotten by all or almost all (shamans apart) for at least a couple of centuries - mysterious age-old rituals and whisperings all that’s left. Is there a learned sage sitting at the top of one of those rickety old (snakes and) ladders here on Earth who has the ability to point the way to an ultimate truth? Does anyone have a name? A rhetorical question, of course, when we're still puzzling about William Shakespeare, subject of Sean's OP. That subject gives on to so many others that it's difficult to maintain the focus.

I watched Audrey Waugh’s video on John Dee. His choices for the ‘Monas Hieroglyphica’ cover are very interesting. Greek monos, meaning ‘alone’ is source of the ‘monk’, a figure of great interest in my research into Hermes. The ‘nos’ comes from NUZ, the egg, shown by Dee surrounding the central symbols. Sumerian MUNUZ is one phonetic form of SAL, triangular symbol of the vulva and all things feminine.

Madeleine

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