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Jon Ellison wrote:

> Is it because he has the audacity to disagree with you.?????

How many times have I said this is not the case? 5-10 times in the last week or so alone? For you or others to say this again means either you have not read any of the posts or are being willfully dishonest to represent this situation, erroneously my character, as something it is not for no other reason than to alleviate responsibility towards Origyptian, and by extension yourself. Which is it Jon-are you uninformed, lying, or both?

> Would you prefer that all posters agree with your viewpoint???

You mean like Origyptian? Or Archae? You know full well I would not and to accuse me of such is absurd and dishonest. As you know as well, unlike some here I have no wares to peddle or belief system to pontificate for the benefit of my own ego. Whip me, beat me, call me Edna, but I am here in search of the real no matter where it leads. If I am wrong I want to know it, and why, as what is the point of deluding myself at the expense of the truth anyways? Isn't that what religion is for?

If Mons C had a whiff of being made by an earlier civilization I would be the first to stand up for it and quite frankly could argue the case as good or better than most. But the evidence is not there, if only clearly to the contrary. And I for one am certainly not going to twist, manipulate, and obfuscate the minutia of every little morsel to make it so by way of some self-servingly manufactured "reasonable doubt" regardless of the preponderance of the evidence that says otherwise for no other purpose than to maintain my own self-absorbed belief system at all costs. Which for me doesn't even exist in the first place. Can you honestly say the same about the two of you? Or I guess just Origyptian as you are capable of little more than acting as his translucent star-crossed proxy anyways.

As hard as it is for you to understand, repeatedly peddling pretense couched in canned rhetoric to win arguments to maintain a belief system is inherently hostile and offensive behavior. Not to mention dishonest. And all the while it is done from a position of total ignorance of whom you two rely on others to educate you then have the same gall to argue with them about it from the same position of ignorance then ask for more. On and on it goes until the other participants are exhausted and move on or the conversation devolves into whitless fear mongering towards those who take exception to this behavior. Bravo. Saying it with a smile doesn't change the intent, so no one is fooling anyone here. And as you can imagine, I am not smiling.

> Do you have a problem with those that disagree with you on a
> discussion forum???

You know I don't and that is clearly not the point. As we have learned here time and again, just saying the same falsehood over and over does not make it so. If you guys need to keep making things up about me to paint me in a less favorable light to take the glare off your own inequities you are only proving my point for me. Playing the hapless victims of your imaginary "tyranny of Thanos" to garner the sympathy of others to rally to your cause in a veiled attempt to shift the focus away from your own deficiencies on to those you conjure up of others fools even only the fool so long. Its the smell that eventually gives it away.

Disagreement is part of the reason to be here. Differing opinions force me to look at my own and reevaluate them in light of new information or a different perspective I had not yet considered. If I am wrong or my logic is flawed and someone corrects me or shows me a better perspective I am thankful for it because why on Earth would I want to keep deluding myself or wallow in my own ignorance just to keep my own beliefs intact? And also, understanding the arguments against your opinions only helps to understand them even better and if made stronger or weaker as a result it should be welcomed, not ignored.

> You are totally blameless.

I am not forcing you two to behave this way, so yes, I agree. And I will not apologize for taking exception to such willful intellectual dishonesty either. Lie to your spouse, your taxman, your preacher-whatever. This is human nature which no one is immune. Just don't lie about or obfuscate the facts or context to defend your opinions or win an argument at the expense of the intellectual integrity and effort of others. Made only worse by the fact more often than not you really have no idea what you are talking about and are relying on others to educate you just so you can argue with them. Sorry, but I just do not comprehend this. This is not "open-mindedness"- its zealotry.

> You have no control whatsoever over
> others posts and opinions.

Actually I do. Its acquired voluntarily by way of the honesty, integrity, erudition, and humility in which I present information and ideas in conjunction with taking responsibility for my actions when I am in the wrong. The same opportunity afforded to anyone else. Maybe this can't compete for some with the less intellectually strenuous siren song of rhetoric, pretense, and the empty promise of more fantastical realms in lieu of the mundane of the real, but I will stay the course nonetheless.

> You may like to have control over the publication of others
> opinions, but you don't, get over it.

You say this yet again you know it is clearly not the truth. Ignorance and stupidity are one thing, I am guilty of both myself at times, my wife would say a lot, but personally I really loathe intellectual dishonesty in an attempt to impose or obscure one belief system over another. History, social mores, religion-whatever. Made only worse by those who argue these beliefs from a position of willful ignorance or hubris and greed. If this is a fatal flaw in my character so be it. I make no apologies.

With that being said, it is clear we are all sick of talking about the inequity of the few. So out of fear of losing any more of my self-respect for being involved in such vapid repartee yet again, but more importantly out of respect for my fellow posters who wish it to end, I hear you, it is time to move on. I have no doubt at this point those that get the truths being spoken of here do, and those that don't never will and no amount of belaboring will change this.

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Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 1059 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-15 20:33
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 464 Thanos5150 25-Jun-15 23:19
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 498 Corpuscles 26-Jun-15 01:22
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 549 Audrey 26-Jun-15 02:00
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 475 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 02:52
Re: Mons Claudianus Tools 472 MJT 26-Jun-15 17:34
Re: Mons Claudianus Tools 459 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 17:57
Re: Mons Claudianus Tools 531 MJT 26-Jun-15 19:22
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 472 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 04:04
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 456 Audrey 26-Jun-15 05:18
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 461 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-15 10:24
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 494 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 15:26
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 468 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 19:23
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 465 Thanos5150 26-Jun-15 06:28
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 394 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 14:50
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 429 Audrey 27-Jun-15 02:20
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 409 Origyptian 27-Jun-15 04:49
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 472 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 02:33
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 501 Thanos5150 26-Jun-15 07:06
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 463 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 15:06
Example 493 DScribr 26-Jun-15 18:05
Re: Example 428 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 19:04
Re: Example 409 cladking 26-Jun-15 19:21
Re: Example 449 Brian Patterson 26-Jun-15 19:32
Re: Example 499 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 19:43
Re: Example 449 DScribr 26-Jun-15 22:36
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 438 Thanos5150 26-Jun-15 20:24
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 475 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 21:42
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 464 Corpuscles 27-Jun-15 00:19
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 468 Audrey 27-Jun-15 02:26
Same old same old..... 523 DScribr 26-Jun-15 22:48
Re: Same old same old..... 496 Thanos5150 27-Jun-15 05:16
Re: Same old same old..... 460 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-15 16:08
Re: Same old same old..... 470 Origyptian 27-Jun-15 21:18
Re: Same old same old..... 419 Corpuscles 28-Jun-15 00:10
Re: Same old same old..... 391 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 01:25
Re: Same old same old..... 481 Corpuscles 28-Jun-15 02:52
Re: Same old same old..... 455 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 01:35
Re: Same old same old..... 466 Audrey 28-Jun-15 00:47
Re: Same old same old..... 513 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 02:56
Re: Same old same old..... 442 Merrell 28-Jun-15 13:20
Only One World of True Believers? 468 cladking 28-Jun-15 15:23
Re: Same old same old..... 428 Thanos5150 28-Jun-15 03:27
Re: Same old same old..... 528 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 11:00
Re: Same old same old..... 404 Thanos5150 28-Jun-15 16:53
Re: Same old same old..... 506 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 17:25
Re: Same old same old..... 432 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 18:14
Why change??? 421 DScribr 30-Jun-15 22:19
Re: Why change??? 424 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-15 22:52
Re: Why change??? 456 Origyptian 01-Jul-15 04:27
Re: Why change??? 489 Corpuscles 01-Jul-15 06:11
Re: Why change??? 440 Origyptian 01-Jul-15 13:41
Re: Why change??? 432 Jon Ellison 01-Jul-15 14:08
Re: Why change??? 495 Origyptian 01-Jul-15 15:33
Re: Why change??? 433 Jon Ellison 01-Jul-15 15:38
Re: Why change??? 504 Jon Ellison 01-Jul-15 16:03
Re: Why change??? 465 Origyptian 01-Jul-15 16:21
Re: Why care about the facts??? 417 DScribr 02-Jul-15 19:59
Re: Why care about the facts??? 429 Origyptian 02-Jul-15 20:13
Re: Why care about the facts??? 452 Jon Ellison 02-Jul-15 20:52
Mod Warning > Jon Ellison 459 lukehancock 03-Jul-15 11:20
Re: Why should 'we' care about the facts??? 499 DScribr 06-Jul-15 18:17
Re: Why should 'we' care about the facts??? 462 Corpuscles 07-Jul-15 02:26
Re: Why should 'we' care about the facts??? 463 Origyptian 07-Jul-15 03:26
Willful ignorance 511 DScribr 07-Jul-15 18:02
Re: Why care about the facts??? 460 Jon Ellison 02-Jul-15 22:49
Re: NO change of facts 436 DScribr 02-Jul-15 19:54
Re: NO change of facts 453 Origyptian 02-Jul-15 21:55
Re: Why change??? 401 DScribr 02-Jul-15 19:52
Re: Why change??? 502 Origyptian 02-Jul-15 21:54
"Seems to be..." 423 DScribr 06-Jul-15 18:06
Re: "Seems to be..." 434 Origyptian 06-Jul-15 19:03
Re: "Seems to be..." 345 DScribr 07-Jul-15 17:48
Re: "Seems to be..." 446 Origyptian 07-Jul-15 18:19
Re: "Seems to be..." 431 DScribr 07-Jul-15 18:31
Re: "Seems to be..." 449 Origyptian 07-Jul-15 18:35
Re: "Seems to be..." 451 Jon Ellison 07-Jul-15 20:27
Re: Seems to be a Dbl-standard 462 DScribr 08-Jul-15 17:49
Re: Seems to be a Dbl-standard 398 Origyptian 08-Jul-15 17:55
It IS a Dbl-standard!!! 428 DScribr 08-Jul-15 22:49
Re: It IS a Dbl-standard!!! 599 Jon Ellison 09-Jul-15 00:32
Re: It IS a Dbl-standard!!! 473 Origyptian 09-Jul-15 05:55
Same nonsense-different day... 494 DScribr 09-Jul-15 18:13
Re: Same nonsense-different day... 516 Origyptian 09-Jul-15 18:45
Re: Same nonsense-different day... 458 Jon Ellison 09-Jul-15 19:21
Re: Same nonsense-different day....A MUST READ for all Ori "Fans." 427 DScribr 10-Jul-15 19:29
Re: Same nonsense-different day....A MUST READ for all Ori "Fans." 549 Origyptian 10-Jul-15 21:02
Selective memory loss 572 DScribr 10-Jul-15 22:49
Re: Seems to be a Dbl-standard 434 Jon Ellison 09-Jul-15 01:09
English Lesson 449 randompHactor 27-Jun-15 15:46
Re: English Lesson 476 Thanos5150 27-Jun-15 16:33
Re: English Lesson 485 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-15 16:55
Re: English Lesson 533 Origyptian 27-Jun-15 20:25
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 474 Corpuscles 26-Jun-15 04:31
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 390 Audrey 26-Jun-15 05:23
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 393 Corpuscles 26-Jun-15 06:43
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 448 Audrey 27-Jun-15 01:28
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 443 Corpuscles 27-Jun-15 01:56
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 485 Thanos5150 26-Jun-15 17:00
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 566 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 18:58
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 457 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 20:05
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 467 Origyptian 29-Jun-15 13:39
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 508 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-15 14:11
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 465 Audrey 30-Jun-15 03:01
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 569 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-15 13:20
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 430 DUNE 27-Jun-15 17:01
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 450 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-15 17:10
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 453 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-15 18:12
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 400 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-15 18:37
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 484 cladking 27-Jun-15 18:47
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 476 Ulrich 28-Jun-15 15:06
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 437 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 15:30
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 418 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 16:33
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 393 Audrey 28-Jun-15 17:39
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 441 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 18:23
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 484 Ulrich 29-Jun-15 19:20
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 512 Audrey 30-Jun-15 01:26
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 397 Ulrich 30-Jun-15 02:28
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 567 Origyptian 30-Jun-15 03:48
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 447 Ulrich 30-Jun-15 15:53
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 544 Ulrich 30-Jun-15 21:03
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 644 Thanos5150 30-Jun-15 04:12
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 418 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 19:11
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 505 Thanos5150 29-Jun-15 21:25


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